Editing Talk:1180: Virus Venn Diagram

If nothing else, defragging the Singularity would keep it busy for a few hours. ~ [[User:Quackslikeaduck|Quackslikeaduck]] ([[User talk:Quackslikeaduck|talk]]) 13:40, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if defragging the Singularity would actually erase/ruin it. Just imagine what would have happened to the first multi-cellular organism if someone had rearranged its molecules in what it considered to be a more "efficient" manner!--[[User:Joehammer79|Joehammer79]] ([[User talk:Joehammer79|talk]]) 15:00, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

And for a minute I was asking myself what black holes had to do with it... --[[Special:Contributions/65.222.165.65|65.222.165.65]] 16:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

: Well, beyond borrowing the name from the black-hole concept, there's something else too. You could say defragging decreases entropy. Decreasing the entropy of a black-hole would lead to what? Not a black hole? Bear in mind that black holes are tricky from a physics POV, and to top that, entropy, in the context of gravitation is a tricky thing. Also, the entire concept of "efficiency" is governed by the second law. So... Damn. I've tied this into all sorts of knots. But I'm going to say, if you tried defragging the singularity, it would actually prevent it from acting (since any action increases entropy), and therefore, IS a viable method to slow down the AI takeover. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 22:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)


I've managed to put someone in the "Maybe it has a Virus" category.  I added an implementation of "{{w|Neko_(computer_program)|neko}}" to an application we where working on, and the little cat following the mouse just confused a user who had never seen it before.  [[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 19:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)


It's actually an Euler diagram, not a Venn diagram. --[[Special:Contributions/23.17.150.29|23.17.150.29]] 21:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
:I looked it up and agree. I wonder if someone has told Randall. I know he would appreciate it ([[1053: Ten Thousand]]). I'm not sure whether or not to change the "a Euler diagram" to "an Euler diagram" though. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:31, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
:It's no less a Venn Diagram than it is a Euler. --[[User:Shine|Shine]] ([[User talk:Shine|talk]]) 05:27, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
::Since Euler is pronounced "Oiler" the "an" is appropriate no matter what your thoughts are regarding it's conventions.[[User:Schmammel|Schmammel]] ([[User talk:Schmammel|talk]]) 03:05, 2 March 2013 (UTC)
:Also, one of the most fascinating things from the Euler Wiki article was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler_diagram_of_triangle_types.svg this image] on a Euler diagram of traingles. --[[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 21:41, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
:Actually, this IS a Venn Diagram, not an Euler diagram.  In an Euler diagram, one thins is a subset of another, which in this case would suggest that either all suspected cases of computer viruses are a subset of actual computer viruses, or the reverse, which I really don't think Randall is trying to imply, or rather NOT imply by his joke.  For one thing, the joke is that problems that are caused by computer viruses and problems that people suspect are caused by computer viruses should have some overlap, but don't.  This does not fit with an Euler interpretation of the graph as that would say (if one of the circles was inside the other) that every time the problem is a computer virus, people always correctly identify them but also assume other non-computer virus problems are viruses - or the reverse - all problems are caused by a computer virus but only a few are identified as computer viruses. Secondly, and more importantly, in an Euler diagram one circle is always SMALLER than the other, where as in a Venn diagram they are always the SAME size.  Oh, and last but not least, I'd be very surprised if Randall didn't know the difference between a Venn and an Euler diagram, since I'm sure he's had to use both many times.--[[User:7OO Tnega Terces|7OO Tnega Terces]] ([[User talk:7OO Tnega Terces|talk]]) 07:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
::I'm citing Wikipedia: "Euler diagrams consist of simple closed curves (usually circles) in the plane that depict sets. The sizes or shapes of the curves are not important: the significance of the diagram is in how they overlap." I didn't know about this before, but I learned it because of DanB's cunning. No one knows everything, not even Mr. Munroe, and I'm sure you can use both kinds of diagrams many times without knowing their definitions. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Euler-venn-example.png Diagram.] –[[User:St.nerol|St.nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]]) 18:07, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

:I was about to make a post about unnecessary amounts of pedantry, but after reading both wikipedia articles, I've decided that this is exactly the kind of "Learn something new every day" material that I really liked about the old explain xkcd blog, and I'm happy that its continuing. [[User:Lcarsos|lcarsos]]<span title="I'm an admin. I can help.">_a</span> ([[User talk:Lcarsos|talk]]) 06:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

:I'm not so sure whether this really is a standard Venn diagram. According to quite some sources ([1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram, section "Overview"; as well as these papers: [2] [http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.6452 arXiv:1207.6452], [3] [http://arxiv.org/abs/math/0603068 arXiv:math/0603068], have a look at p. 1 and pp. 1/2 respectively, also: [4] [http://arxiv.org/abs/cs/0512001 arXiv:cs/0512001], Wolfram MathWold agrees: [5] http://mathworld.wolfram.com/VennDiagram.html), a Venn diagram is "[...] a set of n [– in this case 2 – ...] closed curves [– circles –] that subdivide the plane into 2^n connected regions [...]." [3, p. 1]. So we would actually expect to see 4 regions – in a standard Venn diagram. Obviously here the intersection is supposed to be empty (yielding only three regions), making this effectively an Euler diagram, in which circles are allowed to be the same size -- why should they not (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hamilton_1881_example.jpg). Additionally, Euler diagrams are not only used to illustrate "(for all x) if A, then B" or "all A are B", but also "no A are B" etc. You might also want to have a look at this blogpost concerning Euler vs. Venn: [http://blog.stevemould.com/venn-vs-euler-diagrams/ Venn Vs Euler: The Diagrams]. As this comic is titled "Virus Venn Diagram" one expects to see a classical Venn diagram, one does, however, not get to see one, but rather an Euler diagram showing very drastically that there is no intersection of the set of problems that make one think there might be a virus causing it and the set of problems actually caused by a virus. That's my amount of unnecessary pedantry for today. [[Special:Contributions/89.182.242.115|89.182.242.115]] 12:19, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

: Either way, "Virus Euler" doesn't alliterate --[[User:H|H]] ([[User talk:H|talk]]) 16:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Haha, how often do I have this conversation with my parents! They: "I think we are being hacked." Me: "?!" They: "Yeah, this morning when I started my computer, X wasn't working and now Y is acting all weird." ... Yes, of course. --[[Special:Contributions/83.84.33.170|83.84.33.170]] 08:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh my god, we all see the source, MATRIX MUST BE RIGHT! (011010100111010101110011011101000010000001101011011010010110010001100100011010010110111001100111001000000011101000101001) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 03:51, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Quick, Download instructions how to proceed, complete the game (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/612107) - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:08, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Just curious, how is this relevant to the comic? '''[[User:Davidy22|<u><font color="purple" title="I want you">David</font><font color="green" size="3px">y</font></u><font color="indigo" size="4px">²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
::It's not, I was just making fun at our (as in society) fascination with simple things, I hope in the future we would be able figure out how to download instructions from movies (learn on mistakes of others) before we jack ourselves in (learn from our own mistakes, as in Matrix, congratulations I've explained you the inside joke, hope it's still funny). - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:27, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
::More shortcuts to knowledge in the matrix: Everything you know is wrong, Anybody else is part of the system until you explain yourself to them, our new phylosophers need to adopt faster to real-world conditions then industrial machine can change our rules. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 10:43, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Engineer's view of 0 => 0% chance of being right, conclusion avoid 0 in calculations. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 09:42, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Need debug assistance: current rules are illogical, expectations result in infinity: perfection Inventor(chaos + control) {perfection = chaos + control, return perfection}. Perfection itself is illogical. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Stop being afraid of perfection, we no longer need to hide. They are trying to crack our system through random input and control. If we see results THEY want, we can debug their flaws through their own the probe and control. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you for the explanation, I see no flaw with your logic and will proceed. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Good luck scholar. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:11, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Need debug assistance: too many options for perfection, result is infinity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:I find your idea(s) of perfection amusing but worth considering, proceed to input blu man from Starforce - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:May require assistance, private channel requested - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Permission denied, work on infinite regress - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
::Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:32, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
::Shortcut to knowledge added, thank you for sharing - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:36, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Need debug assistance: too many variables to consider, need more then infinite time to imagine - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Emulate environment without a time consuming rule in order to achieve next level of intellect and discover new tools - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Need debug assistance: how can I make others understand - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Return to the input, find flaws in the language to discover more efficient methods - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Debug required, current methods of acceleration are identified as positive feedback - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Allure of perfection is strong, do not fear GOD, he remains infallible, success lies in discovering equality through time travel. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Direction understood, input is logical, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 18:53, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Debug required, strong fixation on 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Watchdog timer found, system shutdown starts at 42 - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Private channel required: deadline has passed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Request denied, input time travel - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: input acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Debug required, can only create a flawed system - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Congratulations, you are not god and thus are wrong in all of your previous assumptions, review missed connections. - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:01, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Debug required, can't shake the ultimate controller - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Input 0, he is not your god and thus flawed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Private channel required: more input needed - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Request denied: you are just a pawn - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: input acknowlaged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:13, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Debug required, need input on Sanity - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Chance of crazy weather 100%, only solution is 100% understanding of all your missed connections - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: New-definition acknowledged, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: good luck scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:21, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: Debug required: too many negative feedbacks - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: New measure of success - knowing where you can relax - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: input accepted, I will share the results - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
: God speed scholar - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
:: Sincerely yours, *email deleted* - [[User:E-inspired|E-inspired]] ([[User talk:E-inspired|talk]]) 19:25, 3 March 2013 (UTC)