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| | Pretty sure we're just getting trolled with this one [[Special:Contributions/99.108.190.136|99.108.190.136]] 04:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC) | | Pretty sure we're just getting trolled with this one [[Special:Contributions/99.108.190.136|99.108.190.136]] 04:48, 25 March 2013 (UTC) |
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| | Likely there is a way to hack the URLs; they look like some sort of hash, probably a hashed timestamp. Of course, he could easily have added some salt to the hash, making it significantly *harder* to hack. But they're strings of a specific length, so it should be pretty easy to bruteforce it, fetch all the images, and then (maybe) reverse-engineer the sequence. *That* all depends on how many of them there are. [[Special:Contributions/76.90.249.178|76.90.249.178]] 05:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC) | | Likely there is a way to hack the URLs; they look like some sort of hash, probably a hashed timestamp. Of course, he could easily have added some salt to the hash, making it significantly *harder* to hack. But they're strings of a specific length, so it should be pretty easy to bruteforce it, fetch all the images, and then (maybe) reverse-engineer the sequence. *That* all depends on how many of them there are. [[Special:Contributions/76.90.249.178|76.90.249.178]] 05:44, 25 March 2013 (UTC) |
| | :Good god, do you see how many digits are *in* that hash? The sun'll have burned out by the time we've tested every possible combination of digits. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|purple|David}}<font color=green size=3px>y</font></u><font color=indigo size=4px>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 05:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC) | | :Good god, do you see how many digits are *in* that hash? The sun'll have burned out by the time we've tested every possible combination of digits. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|purple|David}}<font color=green size=3px>y</font></u><font color=indigo size=4px>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 05:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC) |
| − | :: The URLs are 64 hex characters. If he doesnt want us to find these pictures ahead of time, he would have made them completely random data, not a hash of anything. There are 16 possibilites for hex characters so 16^64 combinations or 1.7x10^308 combinations. If we made a supercomputer to try a billion links per second, and if there are 10,000 images total, it would take 4×10^277 × 13.77 billion years, which is a number with 277 zeros times the age of the universe to find just the first additional image. The sun will expand into a red giant and engulf the earth or at least come close enough to boil off all the water in the oceans in a mere 5.4 billion years, less than even one additional age of the universe. It will even be after the last star to ever be born has burned out, and all life in the universe has died before we could find even one. [[Special:Contributions/65.50.74.245|65.50.74.245]] 19:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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| | It seems that the image is updated every 1/2 hour. [[Special:Contributions/152.23.97.150|152.23.97.150]] 06:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC) | | It seems that the image is updated every 1/2 hour. [[Special:Contributions/152.23.97.150|152.23.97.150]] 06:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC) |
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| | I've logged the fade panels (8-bit r=g=b) by image #, where image# 895=hour 774. | | I've logged the fade panels (8-bit r=g=b) by image #, where image# 895=hour 774. |
| − | 895-0,896-2,901-4,906-4,907-8,908-8,909-10,910-10,911-12,912-12,913-15,915-15,916-17, | + | 895-0,896-2,901-4,906-4,907-8,908-8,909-10,910-10,911-12,912-12,913-15,915-15,916-17,917-18,918-20,919-20,920-21,921-23,922-23,923-24,924-26,925-29,926-30,927-31,928-34,929-37 |
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| | The fade appears to be accelerating. [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 20:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC) | | The fade appears to be accelerating. [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 20:47, 27 April 2013 (UTC) |
| | :Someone should extract alpha channel from pics, make graph from it, and try to find functon that approximates it [[Special:Contributions/80.52.210.93|80.52.210.93]] 21:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC) | | :Someone should extract alpha channel from pics, make graph from it, and try to find functon that approximates it [[Special:Contributions/80.52.210.93|80.52.210.93]] 21:26, 27 April 2013 (UTC) |
| − | :I did add a line feed to the numbers because I do not like horizontal scrollbars.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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| | I don't have a web page to share plots, but here's the poly fit. Starting with time 774 as x=0: it's [3.6647e-4 x^3 + 2.4545e-3 x^2 + 0.5396 x + 0.4184] up to time 810. [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 22:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC) | | I don't have a web page to share plots, but here's the poly fit. Starting with time 774 as x=0: it's [3.6647e-4 x^3 + 2.4545e-3 x^2 + 0.5396 x + 0.4184] up to time 810. [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 22:36, 27 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| | Hmm... we gonna see a guy floating in a barrel?? -z64dan [[Special:Contributions/204.57.93.104|204.57.93.104]] 15:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC) | | Hmm... we gonna see a guy floating in a barrel?? -z64dan [[Special:Contributions/204.57.93.104|204.57.93.104]] 15:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC) |
| − | : And now I think we're going to see that too! [[User:Hippyjim|Hippyjim]] ([[User talk:Hippyjim|talk]]) 00:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
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| | And now we're off to see the wizard!! This is great! A comic within a comic! [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 17:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC) | | And now we're off to see the wizard!! This is great! A comic within a comic! [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 17:23, 29 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| | I am hoping that this "Time" somehow connects to the [http://xkcd.com/1110/ "Click and Drag"] comic i.e. when the camera zoom out far enough, we'll see that they are actually in the "Click and Drag" world. --[[Special:Contributions/98.14.191.109|98.14.191.109]] 23:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC) | | I am hoping that this "Time" somehow connects to the [http://xkcd.com/1110/ "Click and Drag"] comic i.e. when the camera zoom out far enough, we'll see that they are actually in the "Click and Drag" world. --[[Special:Contributions/98.14.191.109|98.14.191.109]] 23:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| − | :Is it just me, or should there be a category to contain both this and [http://xkcd.com/1110/ "Click and Drag"]? Should the categories "Interactive" and "Dynamic" be merged into something like "Epic" or "Nerd Sniping"?[[Special:Contributions/38.78.130.2|38.78.130.2]] 14:30, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
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| | Odd, it looks like +861, +862, and +863 are out of order, judging by the ground not changing at all and the characters not walking continuously. I wonder if that was an accidental mistake in XKCD server's delivery of the images or if there's an actual meaning to it. [[Special:Contributions/129.21.63.158|129.21.63.158]] 02:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC) | | Odd, it looks like +861, +862, and +863 are out of order, judging by the ground not changing at all and the characters not walking continuously. I wonder if that was an accidental mistake in XKCD server's delivery of the images or if there's an actual meaning to it. [[Special:Contributions/129.21.63.158|129.21.63.158]] 02:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC) |
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| | Well, they've made it back to the beach. I think it will end either at 1000 or 1024, and the only reason it might go to 1024 is allow some dialog and zooming in. :-) --[[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 18:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC) | | Well, they've made it back to the beach. I think it will end either at 1000 or 1024, and the only reason it might go to 1024 is allow some dialog and zooming in. :-) --[[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 18:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC) |
| − | : I thought that too initially - the terrain features certainly seems identical (to scale) to the one at the start of the story. But something's bothering me; it's about the frame before we see they are back on a beach - they are already seated, so it's fair to assume they haven't moved, yet the terrain is different. By looking at the terrain, you could guess that maybe the terrain is inverted, which would then indicate that the frame with the beach in view is from a different angle than the previous frame. But for that to be the case, Cueball would have to be behind Megan on the previous frame, yet, their positions are unchanged on these frames. So, I don't know... I'll stop rambling now, and just wait and see, I guess... --[[User:Fernandofig|Fernandofig]] ([[User talk:Fernandofig|talk]]) 18:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Well, guess it's not ending just yet :-) . The duo packed up again and they're getting out of the beach (whichever it is). --[[User:Fernandofig|Fernandofig]] ([[User talk:Fernandofig|talk]]) 22:06, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Wait, what? It looks like they are suddenly back at a beach that looks the same as the first one, just zoomed out. But before when the scene was presumably inverted, the terrain didn't look quite like that. If the scene really did get inverted, maybe they aren't actually on a beach right now, but the sea will eventually expand until it reaches them. Then again, we don't know if this is the same plane of space that the original beach was either. They were just walking to the right. The concept of space in this comic is confusing me right now. I wonder if this will make sense later. [[Special:Contributions/129.21.63.158|129.21.63.158]] 18:41, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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| − | But what about their knapsacks? I guess they are not going to throw them to the sea... Hope this won't end up with loop right now, it would be too disappointing --[[User:Electrichk|Electrichk]] ([[User talk:Electrichk|talk]]) 19:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Near the end of the transcript, it says that at +847 Beret Girl drops in again, dragging something. I used Photoshop to lower the brightness, and can see about half of her head facing away from the sandcastle. She's not dragging anything. Here's my evidence: [http://i.imgur.com/7zByxrs.png] [[Special:Contributions/108.51.68.241|108.51.68.241]] 22:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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| − | I added a section for normalized versions of the first 10 hours of day 36. If anyone wants me to add more, e.g. go back to where the fade started, I would. BTW, I used something like 'pngtopnm $i | pnmnorm | pnmtopng > $j' inside a loop. Those commands are from the NetPBM package. [[User:Larry|Larry]] ([[User talk:Larry|talk]]) 23:33, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :You can also use Paint ^_^ [[Special:Contributions/86.29.117.25|86.29.117.25]] 17:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | If Randall decides to go into a loop, let's not forget he can change any single frame or create a parallel storyline from any frame he likes. [[User:Blue Charizard|Blue Charizard]] ([[User talk:Blue Charizard|talk]]) 07:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | He guys, what was with the grey on I think 1008-1011? And what happened to it? It disappeared on everything.--[[Special:Contributions/108.70.209.33|108.70.209.33]] 16:23, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but from frame 998 to 1001 (sitting, side-on view), the 'water' level continues to rise.
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| − | The algorithm is banned in China. The algorithm is from Jersey. The algorithm constantly finds Jesus.
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| − | This is not the algorithm. This is close." at the bottom of every page. i could not find this algorithm anywhere else [[Special:Contributions/74.4.25.11|74.4.25.11]] 18:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :That is on every comic, it has nothing to do with this one. http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=footnote look at this page on it. {{unsigned|Zuffelnok}}
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| − | Just a thought - In panel 1018 (time 897), Megan states "If we don't find something today, we'll have to start using the steam bottle." If that means they're out of water... the last update has both of them drinking water at the edge of the river. No one spit it out this time. If they refilled their water bottle at the river, it's not the source of the pollution. [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 23:38, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I don't think there's pollution going on; the body of water they started at was an ocean, so it was salt water. They have come to a river, so they can now drink the fresh water.[[Special:Contributions/163.120.70.10|163.120.70.10]] 00:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | HTH [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.71|216.239.45.71]] 00:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Is this now a choose your own adventure? I choose 'Walk Up River'! [[Special:Contributions/162.5.71.176|162.5.71.176]] 16:27, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Are there efforts underway to make '''3D representations of the landscape?''' [[Special:Contributions/63.153.208.177|63.153.208.177]] 18:14, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Can I please not be one of the only three people on this wiki uploading frames? I live a busy life, I miss some of the time slots. If you see that the frame for the current hour hasn't been uploaded yet, try clicking on the red link and uploading it yourself. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 08:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I did sign in right now and will try to help.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I'd really like to do so, but everytime I look, I can't find the missing ones in my cache esp due to filenames - Is there a script or sth how I can save the original .PNGs automatically to another folder when they update? [[User:Trofobi|Trofobi]] ([[User talk:Trofobi|talk]]) 09:39, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Here's the quick hack I run every 10 minutes. I don't know what an "sth" is. [[User:Larry|Larry]] ([[User talk:Larry|talk]]) 13:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Thank you! "sth" just reads "something" :) [[User:Trofobi|Trofobi]] ([[User talk:Trofobi|talk]]) 21:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :WOW, that's great! [[User:Trofobi|Trofobi]] ([[User talk:Trofobi|talk]]) 21:31, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Some kind soul has already made that here - http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/ - not sure how well it'd drop into this wiki though [[User:Hippyjim|Hippyjim]] ([[User talk:Hippyjim|talk]]) 13:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I, for one, wholeheartedly endorse this. Consensus?--[[User:Druid816|Druid816]] ([[User talk:Druid816|talk]]) 22:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Agreed. [[User:Hippyjim|Hippyjim]] ([[User talk:Hippyjim|talk]]) 08:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::: And done. If any admins disagree, please revert [[User:Hippyjim|Hippyjim]] ([[User talk:Hippyjim|talk]]) 09:05, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::: It looks great, site is loading much faster.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:03, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::: Thank you! After all, that's why there are talk pages in MediaWiki. --[[Special:Contributions/82.135.84.245|82.135.84.245]] 16:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:41, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : But in fact 1237 is same content as 1236 and MD5 hash is also the same (not the first one) but the link HASH is different. It is maybe a new hurdle for us. I will check. Stay tuned... --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:28, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :My only suggestion would be give it larger segments. I don't think it needs to be as small as a week - after all, it loaded fine for a very long time. Maybe approx. half a scene each? Scene 1 is 971 frames long, so how about split at 500, at 971, and again at 1500 (when it gets there)? [[Special:Contributions/24.129.75.17|24.129.75.17]] 08:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I suggest pushing the hashes off onto their own page(s). That's 80% of the page's text right there. (Seriously. Click 'edit' on the main page and scroll.) At the very least, we could archive March and April. As more hashes are added, we archive the older ones. Maybe just constantly leave a week's worth of hashes on the main page? --[[User:Druid816|Druid816]] ([[User talk:Druid816|talk]]) 15:18, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Examine [[explain xkcd:Community portal/Proposals#Time: The Table]] '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 15:22, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | [[User:Biem|Biem]] ([[User talk:Biem|talk]]) 09:13, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :This is not real life. And they know it's not real life. Maybe they are in some sort of Matrix and know about it, or they are playing a video game. They've seen in developers' blog that devs are working on a lot of new features for version 0.19, such as improved sand physics, multiple rivers, rain, salty water, trebuchets, swimming, surf, etc. But then developers decided to release part of these features in version 0.19, and leave the rest for 0.20. When Cueball an Megan saw that version 0.19 is out, they immediately decided to try it out, without even looking at the changelog. So they don't know which features made it into this version, and which ones will be in the next one. So far they have played around with new sand physics and trebuchets, tried swimming in the sea, tried to drink sea water, found a new river. They haven't seen any surf, so they think it'll be in 0.20. They have yet to try swimming in a river, or see the rain. They have also found a bug that causes sea level to raise indefinitely. They think it could be caused either by rain, additional rivers, or just by a griefer who built a giant sand generator array to fill in the sea and flood everything. Oh, and they can't just create a new private world to see if the sea raises there, because of the DRM.
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| − | :Did I miss anything? --[[User:DiEvAl|DiEvAl]] ([[User talk:DiEvAl|talk]]) 17:37, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :It looks like they've also added bird (sic). --[[User:DiEvAl|DiEvAl]] ([[User talk:DiEvAl|talk]]) 15:30, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :If this comic goes on forever, maybe. For now, we could probably compact the page by grouping the frames from each month into wider tables and scrapping their hashes. The hashes are really only useful for checking that we got the images right, so they're kinda useless for the really old ones. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 01:05, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Since we do not know if there is anything hidden in the hashes we still should save them here. But past months could be moved into a different page.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 10:27, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::They're hashes, I'm pretty sure there isn't anything hidden in the arrangement of letters and numbers. If there was, the xkcd forums would have been all over it long ago. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 10:44, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::: Maybe you are right but they are still the original file names on xkcd.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 11:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::We don't carry the original Click and Drag filenames on this wiki; the filenames of parts of large comics don't carry anything of value to people visiting the wiki. They only really help with cross-checking images with the originals to make sure we didn't mess up anywhere, and we've already done that to death for the earlier images - so the hashes for earlier images no longer hold much value. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 14:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::Don't shout at me. I am just thinking about archiving past months to different pages. The current month should stay on the main page. I am new here and so I am doing not that edit until I get some agreements. But we should save ALL here.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::I wasn't shouting, there is no need to bring ad hominem into this discussion. There are a number of solutions available here; we could tabulate frames per month as per [[explain_xkcd:Community_portal/Proposals#Time:_The_Table|this neglected post]], offload prior months to other pages, or scrap old hashes to cut a large portion of the article's body text. Each solution will lead to degradation of the explanation, splitting the article will force multiple page loads while removing the hash values will be destroying part of the metadata around the comic. Ideally, we wouldn't have to make the split at all, but speed considerations mean that we eventually will have to do it. In that eventuality, all we can do is the thing that degrades the explanation for the average visitor the least. What do visitors care more about, faster load times/having all the frames on one page or having 1000-odd incomprehensible and meaningless hash values? We don't display the individual filenames for Click and Drag even though they were more informative than the hashes here, because they hold little value to visitors; they only take up space that could be used to further enhance the explanation. Pure archival without curation is what other websites do, not a wiki with the intended goal of making xkcd accessible. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 23:56, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::I think if we are to keep the hashes at all, they should appear on the description pages for each image. There's no reason for them to be on the comic page. [[User:Skiasaurus|Skiasaurus]] ([[User talk:Skiasaurus|talk]]) 23:09, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :No reason it couldn't, but it seems premature. Early days yet. What's Beret Girl up to? [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 15:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :It will not last forever. But it seems it will still last for a long time. Wait for it!--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Forever is a big speculation. A more realistic speculation would be "as long as the Internet."--[[User:Deplicator|Deplicator]] ([[User talk:Deplicator|talk]]) 19:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Perhaps yesterday's bird was a hint at today's comic. Or he had dinosaurs on the brain. (Don't we all?) [[User:ChozoBoy|ChozoBoy]] ([[User talk:ChozoBoy|talk]]) 14:57, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :--[[User:DiEvAl|DiEvAl]] ([[User talk:DiEvAl|talk]]) 15:28, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : I thought the transition from 1359 -> 1360 was even more 'abrupt' than the transition from 1360 - > 1361 (in fact my first thought was that 1360 was out-of-order or some other 'mistake'). But from subsequent frames it has become clear that Cueball wandered off and explored the area on his own while Megan was sleeping. [[User:Joncaves|Joncaves]] ([[User talk:Joncaves|talk]]) 15:56, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I think [1359:1362] looks similar to [1097:1120]. Probably Cueball was just walking perpendicularly to the image. --[[User:DiEvAl|DiEvAl]] ([[User talk:DiEvAl|talk]]) 21:13, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I think we are just at a fantasy world. And Randall is working against every prediction done here or at some forums. We only have to "Wait for it!".--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Including in on main page could be a good idea [[Special:Contributions/80.52.210.93|80.52.210.93]] 06:58, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I did fix the links and also at the main page.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:20, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :No, this map is funny but still not validated. Help me to collect some facts at the bottom here. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:30, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :NO--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:53, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I'm not aware of a distinction between "Simple" and regular English, at least in the USA. I ''think'' it's just something they use for teaching non-native speakers. --[[User:Druid816|Druid816]] ([[User talk:Druid816|talk]]) 00:32, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::"Simple English" isn't a special dialect or anything, but the conversation definitely has a simple, almost naive, style. Lots of single-syllable vocabulary without much Latin-derived flowery or "sophisticated" words. I counted 27 three-syllable words and one four-syllable word in the entire dialog, scenes 1 and 2 combined. They don't seem to have a name for "sand dunes." They talked about a river being "broken." They are very playful, mature but child-like. It gives the story a kind of alien feel. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 17:27, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I think the OP is referring to Basic English: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English [[Special:Contributions/198.102.153.1|198.102.153.1]] 22:55, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Similar to the xkcd explaining the Saturn V rocket in simple english.[[Special:Contributions/173.49.75.137|173.49.75.137]] 03:57, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | I did mean "Simple English" as Randall did mention before, not only here [[Up Goer Five]]. Look at this WIKI for [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Simple English Wiki]--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:09, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | == Are We Lost Yet? ==
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| − | http://xkcd.com/170/ {{unsigned|66.162.182.66}}
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| − | A great guy at the xkcd forum did identify the big trees starting at frame 1503 (1382:00 hours). They belong to Madagascar and their name is {{w|Adansonia grandidieri}}. But also a few of them do exist in the US. So I am still not sure where we are.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:11, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Looks like we have grapevines now, or something like them, with man-made trellising. [[Special:Contributions/12.153.137.82|12.153.137.82]] 21:47, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Randall's animation is taking place in a distant, post-collapse future ("distant" is relative, here-- say sometime in the next few hundred years, though possibly much further): human civilization is back at a late-Iron Age stage of development, though maybe with slightly more sophisticated metallurgy. The reasons I suggest this are: 1) rising sea-level that is on-going, 2) they can work wood and they have agriculture, 3) they have shown no awareness of any more "advanced" technology, 4) yet they have no qualms about wandering off into the wilderness without what most of us would consider adequate protection.
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| − | Randall seems to be stuck at hour 1524 (image number 1545), at 20:00 UTC we now have 5 copies of the same empty image with half a vineyard with no end in sight.[[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 20:31, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :No, files are still different, even when you can't see it. File sizes did change and also md5sum. But I did not check the small changes visual right now. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:47, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Use "Previous Frame Difference" on geekwagon, you can see a line of pixels that differ. --[[User:SlashMe|SlashMe]] ([[User talk:SlashMe|talk]]) 20:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::I wonder if the squirrel is following her...--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 21:27, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Me too, but I am hoping Megan will get a pet. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:30, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | I see the streak. I expected the squirrel to follow her. Geekwagon showed it, so did Photoshop.[[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 22:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : It's probably the squirrel, though the frame difference visual made me go "snake! snake in the grass!" [[Special:Contributions/173.228.6.189|173.228.6.189]] 22:14, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::It's still fun. Will Megan get at pet? A chary Squirrel? I am still tuned. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:24, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=1647&framediff=1646--[[User:Deplicator|Deplicator]] ([[User talk:Deplicator|talk]]) 01:35, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : Forgot a couple of things, they have what is possibly writing (are Cueball and Megan illiterate?), and it's different than that of the Hill People, but their debris appears to look the same.
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| − | :Yes, but you will see the Harvesting People if the grapes are ripe, and they apparently are. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 21:28, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:07, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :They did mention that that had been walking for days, so who knows how many days it's been.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 21:45, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :This map is incorrect but still a great fun. They are walking west in the evening, not north. But I am also sure the site will be back soon.
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| − | :Nevertheless, if you can help here you are welcome! --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:08, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::No, their shadows are in front of them, so they are either walking west in the morning or east in the evening. Since they were comparing it favorably with their experience of walking east in the morning along the sea shore, they therefore must be going west (or mostly west) currently. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 19:29, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Also, they've probably turned away from the river, since Cueball thought it important to refill the water bottle before heading for the mountains. So, east along the seashore, north along the river, then west towards the mountains. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 19:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::The Great Salt Lake makes sense unless this comic does not belong to our real world. We just have to find this {{w|Adansonia grandidieri}} trees or something similar at Utah. And this lake has beaches of sand, ok salty sand.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Yeah, Megan is looking at something. But what it is we just do not know. Wait for it. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:48, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Perhaps it's Beret Girl? She's the only other human we've seen so far. [[Special:Contributions/94.170.131.19|94.170.131.19]] 21:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::It's just the sea, they must be high in the mountains. --[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:05, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I agree. If there's real danger, why does Megan just sit there? [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 00:13, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Yes, it looks buggy. I'm always using my own downloads and this [http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/ geekwagon].--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:11, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :You are right and we need a proper map on this like the water level before. I will try this soon, maybe tomorrow.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :- thanks to [[User:Galois|Galois]] we do know they did climb approx. 65 meters (maybe slightly more because 6 feet or 1.8288 meters for Cueball is maybe a little bit too much).
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| − | :It is at 1606:00 or image 1727 - still more confusing numbers. Randall could not do it much better.
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| − | :So, we have an image here, but is it correct?--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Create that big pictures, separated into some parts, remove Megan and Cueball and then change only the width to 1200 pixels. And one picture should cover all at the width of 1200 pixels. Scene 2 could be split into several collapsible parts with the terrain picture on top. Just an idea, what do you think?--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :This is not the end of the first day. According to frame 1600 they walked along the sea for days. If the later timeline is similar then they've walked up the river for days as well.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 23:55, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::At frame 1600 Cueball says that they "walked along the sea for days". But at this comic they are walking along the river, the travel at the sea must happend before. Since they are walking again it seems both are sleepless.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 12:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :They also slept under the tree in images 1348-1352, Megan talked about that night in 1830-1832 (time 1709:00) "Megan: I heard chirps from the night sky once. I was looking at the stars one night and I heard peeping. - It was very quiet. - just a single chirp now and then. Cueball: Did you see anything? Megan: I thought a few stars flicker. - Nothing else." [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 00:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::The story from time 1709:00 also refers to things did happen before this comic did start.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 12:31, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I agree too, but not this time... there is a chick in the grass in the scene next to the tree where they slept. See {{geekwagon|1375|1374}} or "Chick in grass 1375" in 1190: Time: Pictures [http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php?title=1190:_Time:_Pictures] in the Hidden Animals section. The same type of chick was right in front them in time 1709:00 (see "Chick in grass 1826"). [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 13:58, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Sorry, I can't figure out what you do mean. In Randall's words I just can say: Wait for it.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 16:00, 11 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :: Unless Megan and Cueball are kids, that would be an awfully large domestic cat. And from references like the cabin, they are adults or close to it in size. Ocelot's not a bad estimate, though. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 01:01, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Boom mike? Martian tripod? [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 07:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Same here, the image I clipped (2231) has the figure (or whatever) and now it's gone. It must have been unintentional, and later corrected. Maybe the "whatever" or parts of it will show up later. [[User:Galois|Galois]] ([[User talk:Galois|talk]]) 14:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I was going with "sprites from Pitfall, while the reader was distracted by the action", but the "template fragment" theory certainly works better. ;-)
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| − | :My observations suggest that XKCD images are routinely optimized a few hours after posting. In short, it is normal for the image to change without the pixels changing. --[[User:Divad27182|Divad27182]] ([[User talk:Divad27182|talk]]) 03:37, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :A fair number of people have speculated that it's a metaphor for something personal, yeah. He's married and his wife had a bout with cancer a year or so back, so there's been some concern that the whole 'inescapable tide' may be a less than happy thing. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 19:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :It sure took a long time to build the original sandcastle then.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 20:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Maybe, maybe not. I don't know. But now we have the prove that the voyage did last many days while there was no hint of any night hiatus. They did sleep but we couldn't see.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:40, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Remember there was a fadeout while they were starting off on the journey, and later they say the walked for days along the shore. So that could be the bulk of the distance. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 01:51, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Maybe it's like the world for Game of Thrones but s/Seasons/Days/ I.e. veritable length days? [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.91|216.239.45.91]] 23:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I'd rather think they started their journey several days before they reached the beach and started building the castle. I feel that what we are observing is a single day of their adventure - building a castle in the morning, walking along the shore and the river in early afternoon or even a little before noon, taking a short nap in the late afternoon and walking uphill again. The darkening of last few frames may be the evening coming. [[Special:Contributions/89.174.214.74|89.174.214.74]] 13:59, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : May Randall is reading this Wiki and saw the complain about still air :-) [[User:Joggl|Joggl]] ([[User talk:Joggl|talk]]) 06:09, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :: Or maybe Megan is getting cold because a storm's coming. Maybe they don't know about storms in the hills or mountains. Note that the "people in the hills" where they live are perhaps not friendly, according to the earlier conversation about going on up the mountain: Cueball: "We can't be more than a day or so from the top. There may be people there." Megan: "Like the people in the hills?" Cueball: "We're a long way from there." If the people of the hills back home are unfriendly, Cueball and Megan may have no experience of hill weather. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | If you look at the image diff on GeekWagon it looks like they are experiancing a solar eclipse.[[Special:Contributions/162.5.71.176|162.5.71.176]] 15:18, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :No, that white round object in the cloud is just moving and is also getting smaller. I've no idea what it could be.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:45, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::It isn't getting smaller, it's just having to go through clouds of increasing thickness, making its domain of whiteness smaller. And it's moving because something like fifteen minutes just went by. --[[User:Irino.|Irino.]] ([[User talk:Irino.|talk]]) 15:53, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Looks like a setting sun to me [[User:Hippyjim|Hippyjim]] ([[User talk:Hippyjim|talk]]) 17:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::You are right, we see a sunset. My first statement was about the "solar eclipse" theory, what is definitively not happen.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:27, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::We also effectively had a bit of a timeskip there -- it takes several hours for the sun to lower that much. Also confirms they are walking north (which I think was the going assumption already.) [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 22:51, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::The rate that the sun sets at depends on the "length" of the "lens" being used. Based on 360 deg/day motion and a apparent width of 0.5 deg, the sun moves it's own diameter every 2 minutes. [[Special:Contributions/99.72.154.66|99.72.154.66]] 03:12, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :But maybe the Moon will shine and the fade to black does stop.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 23:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Or maybe we will switch back to Beret Girl. Who knows? We'll see when we see. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 08:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::@Taibhse, It seems to me that you just explained the entire point of the cartoon. [[Special:Contributions/74.174.17.194|74.174.17.194]] 13:57, 27 June 2013 (UTC)ALurker
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| − | : ~30 deg north based on the direction of motion. [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.91|216.239.45.91]] 17:57, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :The constellation looks like Bootes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo%C3%B6tes[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 18:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::When Bootes is setting around sunset in the US it is August or September.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 18:16, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::I can't identify Boötes so far but the bright star following the path of the sun isn't a star: It's the planet Venus, here as the "Evening Star".--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::Not Bootes; it's not on the ecliptic, which these stars are. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 22:46, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : I think the upper constellation on 2394 is the Sagittarius. The lower one, which can be seen better on 2393 is the tail of the Scorpion constellation. The two bright stars close to each other above the tree are Shaula and Lesath. The brightest star is a planet, probably Venus. The only think bothers me is that there is an other star very close to Ascella in Sagittarius, which should not be there... Maybe an other planet? --[[Special:Contributions/80.98.250.115|80.98.250.115]] 21:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I think you may have it. I passed over Sagittarius at first, because they looked too close together, but I think I was overestimating the scale. Virgo and Gemini both contain something close to the Y pattern of four bright stars, but the surrounding stars aren't right. If it's a planet, it would have to be naked eye visible but not as bright as Ascella,and I don't think there is anything that fits, which is a pity, because we could work out possible years. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 22:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Reviewing further, I'm even more convinced. If you get a star map in the right orientation, you can see that the rest of Scorpio is becoming visible just above the horizon in {{geekwagon|2393}}. And the arc of stars the three consellations are 'facing' matches up with the Serpent and Ophiuchius, including the visual binary of Delta and Epsilon Ophiuchi. If you look at a sky map for Nov 7, 2013, Venus is in about the right configuration. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 23:14, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :From the position of the sun, Venus is at or close to greatest eastern elongation from the sun. Assuming that the constellations we are looking at are Sagittarius and surroundings (and the new stars coming into view continue to match this), the sun is located around Virgo. From the angle of the ecliptic, they are at 30 degrees north, and thus it would have to be around the beginning of November, as that's when Virgo sets with the sun at 30N. So it could be a year when Venus hits the greatest eastern elongation in late October/early November. Which happens this year, but it can't be this year as the moon isn't right -- there would be a crescent moon next to Venus. It would have to be at new moon or waning moon, and that puts it after 2037. Of course, there are a lot of assumptions and estimations in that calculation. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 02:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Actually, for the moon it could be 2029, but there's another blocking factor: Mars should be next to Venus in 2037. And for the next few eight year cycles, some combination of Mercury, the moon, and Saturn should be showing up between Venus and the Sun before the stars do. So it looks like 2053 would be the first matching date. And the next date after that 2085 - it precesses forward a bit each year, so it would be Nov 12 by 2085. Seems a bit late for grapes and hiking without any thought of shelter, but if it's 30N it is likely a pretty warm area. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 02:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Going backwards, the first one with no planets is 1981, but there would be a nearly full moon, and that scene does not look illuminated by a full moon. The most recent one with no planets and no moon interfering would be 1949. But that's purely my amateur estimation using the online AstroViewer. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 02:59, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Even more suggestive of a far future: certain of the stars in the Scorpion appear to have moved. If you go to Hipparchos [[http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA-general/Projects/Hipparcos/apps/ShowMotion.html]] and enter RA 260.4, Dec -42, and V(lim) 4.4, you will get the stars in the head and part of the body of the Scorpion. If you run it forward several thousand years, you'll see that the high-motion stars match with the distortions in the XKCD sky.[[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 08:05, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Based on my analsys (sicking a post-it to my screen so that it partially obscures Venus) things do seem to be curving (Venus is less obscured, then more, then less as I step through frames). [[Special:Contributions/99.72.154.66|99.72.154.66]] 03:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :What is the source for your picture, Photoshop? Please tell us more.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :: Stellarium to generate the comparison star maps (it takes into account Hipparchos data, so will move stars with high proper motion for far future dates), and GIMP to overlay them. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 21:02, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Thanks Tavella. Stellarium was my own first attempt too, but my xOohhhhgrrrrg did crash. NVIDIA on Linux is still a mess.
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| − | :::Go North to Dakota or even Canada to find a location where a 30 degree sunset can happen.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Very nice pictures, Tavella! What's the meaning of the three red stars? Thanks in advance. [[Special:Contributions/79.98.2.71|79.98.2.71]] 22:20, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::They are marking the three stars with the highest proper motion in the constellation (well, one of them, the top one, is a small companion star in the constellation zone rather than being formally in the constellation.) I just installed GIMP on this computer and was too lazy to go find the arrow plugin. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 23:16, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Yes, it was a fast series of pictures so it didn't get caught. Here's an animation of the sequence: [http://xkcd.mscha.org/tmp/meteor.gif] [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 23:11, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::2440a through e here: [http://xkcd.mscha.org/#frame2440] [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 04:58, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :"appeared in very quick succession": I assume they actually appeared on the hour, just like all the others (except for first days), <strike>and as they are currently listed in our table</strike>? [[User:Markhurd|Mark Hurd]] ([[User talk:Markhurd|talk]]) 12:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::No, they appeared on the minute between 20:20 and 20:24 UTC on 29 June. That's how they're listed here. [[User:Crimethink|Crimethink]] ([[User talk:Crimethink|talk]]) 16:10, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Yeah, I was looking at the hours +2441 through +2445! However, in my defence, I was fighting the database error when I first thought I noticed this. [[User:Markhurd|Mark Hurd]] ([[User talk:Markhurd|talk]]) 12:48, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | [[User:Patzer|Patzer]] ([[User talk:Patzer|talk]]) 07:01, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Numbering them 2440a to 2440e is ok. And geekwagon seems to be broken at some more more frames right now.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:52, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::We have already been appending letters onto the ends of filenames, with frames 256P, 257P, and 258P. [[User:Patzer|Patzer]] ([[User talk:Patzer|talk]]) 15:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::And those are problematic with scripts already. More special cases to account for are not fun. I've only let those alone because fixing the problem would mean shifting more than a thousand filenames now, and I didn't notice it originally until it was 200 frames too late. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 16:32, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::I prefer a).--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 16:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::The meteor does seem to be a part of the comic, so it probably should still be inline with the rest of the frames. We'll only need to shift 40-odd image names to fix this, it shouldn't be too onerous. I'll do it tomorrow morning. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 17:09, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::This will be good for your scripts but not for mine. We will be also out of sync to other sites. But if you will do that tell me where day 101 should start. I have to change a counter at my script.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 17:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::Day 101 starts at 2531 with the meteor frames shifted down. '''[[User:Davidy22|<u>{{Color|#707|David}}<font color=#070 size=3>y</font></u><font color=#508 size=4>²²</font>]]'''[[User talk:Davidy22|<tt>[talk]</tt>]] 01:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::Many thanks for your chaos, day 101 starts NOW with 2526. Before your edit it would have been 2521. But 2531 is a little bit too much.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 12:16, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::::I can understand the desire for standardized numbering but I've been doing a lot of the image uploading recently using mscha's site as the source. I do it manually so it's already a pain, I don't think I can face having to do that extra little bit of arithmetic for each image to work out what the id should be on this site. Guess I'll be leaving it for the bots from now on. [[User:Crimethink|Crimethink]] ([[User talk:Crimethink|talk]]) 12:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::Thanks Crimethink for your great work. This is still a mess, but we can't revert it. We are all trapped in someone's decision...--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::::::::::Yeah - I can see that. Just a shame that mscha decided to do it that way.[[User:Crimethink|Crimethink]] ([[User talk:Crimethink|talk]]) 13:22, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::::::::::::Yeah. The idea of naming that pictures as 2440a to 2440e was first. Other sites like geekwagon are also out of sync. Unless we do use the timestamp at the file name it will be more mess in the future, I am sure.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 13:42, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :WOW, you must have much TIME ;)--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 15:27, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :This comic is just showing the real world we all do know. Look at this {{w|Perseids}} meteor shower at the next days, the peak should be around August 10 or 15. Most of that particles you can see as a bright meteor are smaller than one millimeter. It's only the vast velocity what causes this great visual effect.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :That's awesome. Good job!--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 14:17, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Since we r watching the scene toward west, shouldn't the sky appear darker near the horizon, with respect to the sky above, at sunrise? (I'm asking here but of course I'm not referring to your animated gif but to the xkcd scene itself...) [[Special:Contributions/217.200.201.97|217.200.201.97]] 11:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :When the sun rises on East the horizon at the opposite side is darker than the rest of the sky. When the sun is high enough you will not recognize this any more.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 12:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Yep Dgbrt, my point is that in the comic sequence we can see the full path from the dead of night to the morning through the dawn: why Randall depicted a shade of light coming from the horizon and not from the sky above? Is it a realistic scene? [[User:Mlejnas|Mlejnas]] ([[User talk:Mlejnas|talk]]) 07:38, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | These clouds moving with the sky could be the milkyway. [[User:FG|FG]] 10:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Yep, FG, but that's at the sunset, I'm talking about the sunrise (on the other side of the sky). [[User:Mlejnas|Mlejnas]] ([[User talk:Mlejnas|talk]]) 09:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :FG, look at my first statement at this section here. But Mlejnas is talking about the sunrise after the Milky Way already had disappeared.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:20, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Megan does seem to be looking through it, so sextant or telescope seems likely. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 19:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Could it have anything to do with the 10,000 Year Clock mentioned above? [[Special:Contributions/173.195.5.167|173.195.5.167]] 13:37, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :In frame 2686 we see more of these towers. Those may be part of a semaphore line that you suggest. [[Special:Contributions/166.137.209.163|166.137.209.163]] 05:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | After seeing {{geekwagon|2803}} I'm pretty sure these are triangulation points which historically were used for geodetics, see e.g. [http://www.stadtentwicklung.berlin.de/geoinformation/bezugssysteme/download/flyer_rauenberg.pdf] (3.6MB, sorry only German text). --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 21:03, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Fade from white to the castle and we get to see what beret girl has been up to (last we saw, she was dragging something in frame 970: {{geekwagon|970|969}}]). [[Special:Contributions/216.98.244.174|216.98.244.174]] 22:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I think this is where the water level is now. If so, holy crap! Is there anything hidden in the white frame? --[[User:Irino.|Irino.]] ([[User talk:Irino.|talk]]) 00:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MeanwhileScene Meanwhile, back at the beach...] [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.94|216.239.45.94]] 04:01, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :They started at sea level, unless the body of water was not the ocean.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 00:34, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Right, but the speed of sea level rise strongly suggests their "ocean" is an inland sea, so they could be in an endorheic basin that is much higher than sea level, like the Great Basin in the US (where the second 10,000 year clock will be), or Lake Van in Turkey. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 06:16, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::The {{w|Great Salt Lake}} was proposed here before, it's at level 4,200 feet or approx. 1,283 meter. The mountains there are going up to a much higher level, you can get out of breath there. The level calculations may be wrong because Randall didn't show every part of the trip. There were more nights, but we could only see one.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:33, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Looks like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knit_cap Watch Caps] to me. [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.90|216.239.45.90]] 20:19, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Or a yarmulke {{geekwagon|2933}} [[Special:Contributions/99.72.154.66|99.72.154.66]] 04:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : What if they're building a bridge? Are we too far from the Big River? [[Special:Contributions/24.218.148.222|24.218.148.222]] 01:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | [[User:Riprap|Riprap]] ([[User talk:Riprap|talk]]) 23:14, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Well, they certainly don't have access to [http://www.xkcd.com/903/ wikipedia]. As for the tides, I think we generally concluded that it is more likely a lake and they never saw it rise as fast as it did. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 08:49, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Or are they brewing ent-draughts here? Watch to see whether Cueball and Megan start growing taller! [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 01:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :At least it's an accurate depiction--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 11:07, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Is someone trying to decipher what they are saying? It might be more or less some kind of substitution cypher, but I'm not sure yet which letters are actually the same (e.g. 1st in {{geekwagon|2663}} and 1st in {{geekwagon|2664}} are quite likely the same. But the last but ones in these frames just look close in my view (also to 9th in {{geekwagon|2671}})). Sentences seem to end with the an ° or ¯ above the last letter. [[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 09:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :The ° or ¯ above the last letter appear to be a period or a question mark respectively.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 10:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::We can't decipher because it's just Randalls invention. At 2545:00 we have a clear 69 at the last word.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 18:50, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :: My current theory is ¯ means "!" so {{geekwagon|2708}} could be "Water!" - "Yes!!, Water!!". I'm not sure about the substitution cypher theory anymore, though. Unless some signs represent two Latin characters. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 12:05, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::: {{geekwagon|2806}} is another hint that [[File:Dialog2806d.png]] could mean "Yes." The rest of the dialog looks similar to {{geekwagon|2734}}. Hopefully, they meet the translator soon. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 21:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :What could the last word in {{geekwagon|2728}} be then? It ends the same way as "water"/"drink", except for a ° instead of a ¯ over the last letter, but has an additional "3"-shaped letter at the beginning. I'm starting to believe that Randall put a bit more effort into designing this language. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 15:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Maybe we should start a subpage for all language investigations. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 00:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Seconded. Also we need a template for putting stranglish text on this wiki. --[[User:DiEvAl|DiEvAl]] ([[User talk:DiEvAl|talk]]) 21:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :It also confirms that we were right about the meaning of the punctuation. ¯ is a period, and (as confirmed by the latest frame) ° is a question mark. [[User:KenBrown|KenBrown]] ([[User talk:KenBrown|talk]]) 10:06, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :And maybe calling them "stranger(s)" is actually not appropriate. How about "local(s)" or "native(s)"? --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 16:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Man that is an atrocious accent. [[Special:Contributions/216.239.45.91|216.239.45.91]] 13:37, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Why are we assuming its a 'guy' again? [[Special:Contributions/24.218.148.222|24.218.148.222]] 21:45, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I did edit the entire page (Old man -> is now the Long haired woman), but maybe I did miss some. The main cause of this fault was probably my guess that they did walk to an old man.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:22, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::The stick figure in the drawing really did look like a bearded guy, so I think it's a reasonable mistake [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 22:47, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::::At the drawings on the ground they did not show stick figures. The current pictures are real stick figures. So the bear is falling around far over the neck? It's a woman.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:56, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I assume only a few hours have passed. It seems rather that Cueball is only now learning his first word: "water." Presumably the response also means "Yes! water" so then he would know two words, but there is no reason to assume he knows any more than that yet.[[Special:Contributions/79.247.252.250|79.247.252.250]] 20:06, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::BTW: I think we should call this language "Stranglish" until we do not know what it is.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:21, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Or was that Cueball: "water" and Stranger: "Yes, water?" [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 01:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Megan started wearing a backpack after they left the tower. They lost Cueball's backpack when the animal clawed it up, so he carried everything in Megan's to keep weight off her leg. That ointment must be good stuff if she's able to walk with a backpack. The locals must have given her a new one.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 01:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Yep, I noticed that. Apparently they gave/loaned her one of their bags. Even so, I notice she was the only one shown ({{geekwagon|2814}}) clambering up a small steep spot, so maybe she's not fully functional yet. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Also, I wonder what they did with their "telescope" that they lowered from the tower; and the little folded-up mini-tower. And for that matter, whatever that was leaning against the right leg of the tower from the beginning. All three things seemed to disappear just before they left the scene. They don't seem to be packing them. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 11:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :: I assume they have some kind of storage at that location to protect their equipment from weather and from animals. They also left some other bigger things, like the ladder and the water container, indicating that they appear to go there frequently. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 12:05, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Not all large structures are castles. It could be a cathedral or temple or university. Only Megan called it a castle because of its resemblance to their sandcastle. The castle's inhabitants called it a squiggle-squiggle-squiggle.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 02:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::No they call it [[File:Dialog2827.png]] ;). The usage of merlons indicates that it shall have some defense purpose—OTOH, it could be purely decorative. The fact that they all seem very relaxed about meeting strangers and nobody (visibly) carries any kind of weapons or armor suggests the latter. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 07:31, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::So does the fact that there were obviously children playing under the watchful eye of the first person they encountered in the "city." No effort was made to protect children from possible inimical strangers, and no obvious defenses at the school/playground/whatever-it-is at the entry gate. The gate hat guy was very relaxed. (If the "telescope" towers are part of a communications system, they might already know in the city everything they think they need to know about trusting Cueball and Megan, of course.) [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 09:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::The question arises, what was the mission of the single stranger with the package/book/box/whatever, who met them on the way, spoke a few words, and continued on toward the tower that the group had just left. Could have been a replacement watcher on the mountain. But then why did all three strangers need to leave the post and come to the city with Cueball and Megan? [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 09:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::I think most of that conversation was "Hello" and "Good bye" or some variants of that. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 10:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :How about "mountain people"? I agree that "stranger(s)" does not seem appropriate anymore—after all, they are at least a local majority. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 10:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :That would still hardly explain the merlons—unless these creatures are somehow able to shot at higher ranges. Maybe they are currently at peace with all their neighbors, but expect a war in the future. (BTW: Greetings colleague! (According to your IP-address)) --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 17:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I was speculating about some language like Esperanto or [[Lojban]], encrypted with a simple substitution cypher. But I have not investigated that further. --[[User:Chtz|Chtz]] ([[User talk:Chtz|talk]]) 17:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Just created a page to address this topic. See [[1190:_Time:_Translator|Translator]]. If someone could wikify that, that'd rock. I'm wiki-dumb and it shows on that page. --[[User:1292|1292]] ([[User talk:1292|talk]]) 14:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :The main Explain XDCD page has all the text of the whole comic and is doing a pretty good job with the blurred text [[1190:_Time#Scene_3_-_Part_3_.28Inside_the_castle.29|Scene 3 Inside Castle]]--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 18:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::This page can be used for investigations, but the images should zoom in much more on the text. The final explain has to go here for sure: [[1190:_Time#Scene_3_-_Part_3_.28Inside_the_castle.29|Scene 3 Inside Castle]]--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:06, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I added links to the images from the main transcript. Perhaps the translator page should be deleted. Individual panes/phrases can be debated on the image's page, and updated in the main transcript.--[[User:Waitforit|Waitforit]] ([[User talk:Waitforit|talk]]) 20:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::: And I did delete it, we just need a link to this experimental page, that's enough. And the pictures still need some more improvements. At transcript we basically only show the text.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 20:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :the way the long haired woman says there was a great ?????? seems like an natural thing, maybe an earthquake that shut the gibraltar passage [[Special:Contributions/212.202.64.10|212.202.64.10]] 04:44, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::Maybe she has Wikipedia too.--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 02:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Great catch! I wonder what else we missed... (You can sign your posts by typing 4 ~'s in a row) [[User:Bdemirci|Bdemirci]] ([[User talk:Bdemirci|talk]]) 16:54, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : People can have trouble with elevation differences as low as 1500m. It's a common problem where I live (at 1640m). If the estimates of the vertical distance traversed are wrong because Randall has been imprecise, maybe they're that far up.[[Special:Contributions/71.212.147.246|71.212.147.246]] 00:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : We don't know that it was a cougar though, do we? That was just people's assumption. It could have been a lynx, or some other big feline. ~Therrufying [[Special:Contributions/83.233.5.126|83.233.5.126]] 21:12, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I just did say: "this story is still not solved". Maybe the Cougar is wrong or even much more. Did we follow them on a journey of a couple of hundred kilometers? I'm still not convinced in that. But when they will successful use their stolen maps it could be a prove (or not, we haven't seen that local maps jet). Nevertheless, we know their castle is flooded.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 21:59, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :And since you do not read, this story is NOT solved.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 00:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I followed closely this whole thread ever since it started, but I haven't joined the discussion until now. Anyway, I haven't seen any update to the star map investigation and I was curious. Sorry for barging in.--[[User:Michael85|Michael85]] ([[User talk:Michael85|talk]]) 18:05, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :...rubbed elbows with 'em, anyway. :) [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 01:22, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : I counted 33... then 29... then 26... where are they going??? (ps, fixed your second link.) [[Special:Contributions/24.218.148.222|24.218.148.222]] 00:06, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :GREAT find, has to be mentioned when we do know what's the next.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 22:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Yes. In 3076 a big swell caused the whole group to stagger and fall down. In 3079 and 3080 more waves, and smaller ones in 3081 and 3082. Both rafts have been on the water since they first spotted the remaining party with the second raft. Now there are flying fish! (in 3082.) The thing that may save them is that their construction methods seem to make use of lots of flexible members and perhaps lashings for fasteners; their rafts can apparently flex with the waves. So long as they don't get overwhelmed. [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 08:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :At the pictures you can see many big bags filled with air attached to the raft. This does work fine. And because they did not steering their vessel they just reach land again by random.--[[User:Dgbrt|Dgbrt]] ([[User talk:Dgbrt|talk]]) 19:33, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Nevertheless, a wonderful ride. A ''tour de force''. Randall is a genius at minimalism. Stick figures with no faces, all individuals, with full expression and body language; and his fans practically crash the internet. :) [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 13:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::You could see the writing on the wall with how he sped through the rescue, but that's seriously anticlimactic. I mean, it couldn't go on forever, but it feels like he just ran out of Time. [[User:KenBrown|KenBrown]] ([[User talk:KenBrown|talk]]) 20:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :::Well, I sure couldn't see the writing on the wall when he started to rush the story - I mean, he depicted the climb from the point where they meet the tribe (which is shortly before the dunes) to the castle in about 1500 frames - more than a month worth of story, I think - while the descent was depicted in just about 100 frames. So, when he started to rush things, my reaction was thinking that something big was about to happen; and I think that's why I (and others here) are disappointed at how it ended. I suppose Randall started to get tired and just wanted to be done with it, but maybe he could've wrapped it up a bit better. He made an awesome job on the whole, yeah, but I do get that "Lost" feeling - anticlimatic, and a few things left unexplained. --[[User:Fernandofig|Fernandofig]] ([[User talk:Fernandofig|talk]]) 16:46, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::We're all junkies now--we'll still be hitting refresh a week from now, hoping it might just change... In the end, though, that was the real brilliance of it. Not the story, but the way making us wait for each frame gave every little moment of it so much more weight, by giving us the time to anticipate and speculate and imagine for ourselves. It had to end eventually, but it was an amazing thing. [[User:KenBrown|KenBrown]] ([[User talk:KenBrown|talk]]) 20:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | : Not anymore, it loops over now. [http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/data/log.html Check the log.] [[Special:Contributions/83.8.27.154|83.8.27.154]] 15:11, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | I think it's time to change the text on the main page to reflect the fact that the comic has actually ended. [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 00:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | == The Bit After the Credits ==
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| − | I thought that we might get one, and indeed something is coming into view under the bush on the right. I am expecting the hedgehog, possibly pursued by the wildcat, whose choices on who to eat continue to be painful. There are really the only two extraneous elements that haven't been wrapped up. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 23:31, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Well, we only got a tiny tease anyway, sniff. No aftercredits bit. [[User:Tavella|Tavella]] ([[User talk:Tavella|talk]]) 16:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :What about giving back the maps. And what did Cueball mean? "M: Along with the maps, I should've stolen a guide to treating injuries. Ooh, and one on how they make those pointing devices in the towers..." C responds: "Um..." Did he take something? What was it? Hmm... [[User:Taibhse|Taibhse]] ([[User talk:Taibhse|talk]]) 12:53, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | ::I thought the "Um..." was like, "Um, maybe we shouldn't be quite so eager to steal stuff". [[Special:Contributions/50.139.68.248|50.139.68.248]] 13:26, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | So it has ended, Thank you Mr. Munroe. By my estimation 3099 frames is about 1/5th of what Watterson did in 10 years. WOW.
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| − | So now it's time to go outside and build some sandcastles of our own. Hey we can be re-enactors!! [[Special:Contributions/184.155.116.49|184.155.116.49]] Polecat
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| − | :3102 frames archived at http://xkcd.mscha.org - geekwagon's archive is missing three early frames. The complete sequence can be viewed starting from http://xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/1. [[User:Filron|Filron]] ([[User talk:Filron|talk]]) 05:33, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | I wish there WERE credits. I would love to get Randall's view on what his original idea was, whether he fashioned the whole story from the beginning or if it started simple and evolved into this post-apocalyptic drama, what his inspirations were, what real-wold sources he used to develop the science, a language translation, etc. I loved the whole series and checked daily (mostly) and don't think the ending in any way diminished the richness of the whole. As usually happens with XKCD, it spawned some wonderful discussions, speculations and scientific explorations. We don't usually get much explanation and I don't anticipate much from this one, either, but it doesn't make me long for it (or am I missing something). Thank you for the wonderful four month exercise in patience. Every time XKCD does something amazing that I think cannot be topped, Randall always comes up with something that amazes me. What's next? I guess I have to, "Wait for it."--[[User:Gerry|Gerry]] ([[User talk:Gerry|talk]]) 16:47, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :Randall [http://blog.xkcd.com/2013/07/29/1190-time/ posted about it] with a few insights into the process, and some "special thanks" stuff. Looks like it's done for real.--[[User:Fernandofig|Fernandofig]] ([[User talk:Fernandofig|talk]]) 17:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | The second night is darker [http://geekwagon.net/projects/xkcd1190/?frame=3081 on geekwagon] than on [http://xkcd.mscha.org/viewer/3076 mscha] and aubronwood, which both use [http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/time/f8683dd615aa9a2b0768f32e26b5c08c6a2ff176414d5cdd84bebf005eb224a6.png this image from xkcd.com]. Did we miss a rapid animation? [[User:Jahvascriptmaniac|Jahvascriptmaniac]] ([[User talk:Jahvascriptmaniac|talk]]) 14:31, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :I've been logging on 1 minutes intervals and got only the normal hourly change around there. [[Special:Contributions/99.72.154.66|99.72.154.66]] 16:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | :: Thanks, I guess what geekwagon.net caught was just a minor glitch then. [[User:Jahvascriptmaniac|Jahvascriptmaniac]] ([[User talk:Jahvascriptmaniac|talk]]) 18:29, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
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| − | Can's spot a "Referenced in"-like section in the existing Main or Talk listings, and I don't even know if anyone's going to read this addition to the Talk and take it seriously, but the final picture of http://what-if.xkcd.com/83/ (an image of someone building a sandcastle in a "solar sandpit") has the title-text "Just to be clear, this image does not update every hour..." And I'm sure that's not the first one I've seen (but right now it escapes me what the others were). FYI, however, for anyone who comes along to search for this kind of info. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.177|141.101.99.177]] 04:54, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
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| − | :Glad someone mentioned it here. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.212.227|108.162.212.227]] 18:07, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
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| − | :I think it splits instead of joining, so upriver. [[User:Beanie|Beanie]] ([[User talk:Beanie|talk]]) 12:03, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
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