Talk:1587: Food Rule

But some fish don't have faces. Or have some really ambiguous faces. What constitutes as a "face" anyway, from an overall standpoint? A set of eyes eyes, a mouth, and a nose, with the nose generically at or below eye level, and the mouth below the nose? (also do I need to include my name after the tildes or does it add it automatically?) International Space Station (talk) 04:30, 7 October 2015 (UTC) ISS

You type the four tildes and nothing else. The server software modifies your post before logging it, replacing your four tildes by your username and date/time. 173.245.49.94 10:15, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Reckon the nose rule cant be sustained, dolphins and whales have faces and their 'nose' is well above eye level.Plm-qaz snr (talk) 05:29, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Randall does not care if anything he eats have a face. He just wish to know if it does or not before he eats it. The plants that he eats do not have faces for sure, but he eats those. The reason he does not eat Squids or Oysters has nothing to do with faces. It is the invertebrate = missing skeleton - that is the reason as explained in the title text. The caption below the comic is an extra rule that has nothing to do with the things mentioned above, which he does not have to google! Have corrected explanation accordingly. --Kynde (talk) 10:28, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

No way! The items in the list are classified according to whether their facefulness of facelessness is known without googling (things clearly with or without face are OK, things unclearly with or without face are not OK). The title text is the extra, unrelated rule, having nothing to do with the list. Explanation should be re-corrected again (not doing that myself as I guess some more arguing is due before doing). 173.245.49.94 11:26, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, modified it so that they are alternative explanations now. 173.245.49.94 11:56, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I disagree with some part of this improved explanation. Because there can be no doubt (without using goole) that an oyster has no face. So the rule about faces do not apply for Oysters! I will correct.--Kynde (talk) 13:26, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

How can you say what somebody else must obviously know without using google? From reading the comic, it seems like Randal is unsure whether or not an oyster has a face. From previous comics with a similar format, the printed caption is directly related to the comic, then the title text is an alternate caption that could also work with the comic. Both rules fit the list of allowed food. Phipoli (talk) 17:38, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

the most famous and vocal proponent of the "no food with a face" rule is sir paul mccartney. to which one wag replied that anyone would follow that rule if they'd done as much LSD as he had. --141.101.98.34 12:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

It should be noted that the three forbidden foods can be classified as shellfish, which is typically banned in Jewish dietary law (and also generally banned in certain schools of Islamic jurisprudence). Rawmustard (talk) 12:36, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I will include this in the explanation. But then pork is OK on this list, which it definitely is not for the Jews. --Kynde (talk) 13:26, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Is a squid a shellfish? I don't think it has a shell. Djbrasier (talk) 19:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Oysters arguably have a 'mouth' (maw/jaw/etc), with plenty of opportunity for pareidolia or at least marginal (head-only) anthropomorphising, depending on shell markings/adornments or perhaps the psychological willingness of the observer to read the rest of the face in the fleshy creature within the 'mouth'. Hence a need to actually check, to be sure? 141.101.98.159 14:06, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

More shrimp for me Mikemk (talk) 14:14, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

The current explanation is very rambly. Also, it shouldn't presume what Randall knows or doesn't about shrimp, oysters, and squid and therefore shouldn't presume about what he needs to google. 199.27.129.119 14:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I don't think this has anything to do with whether an item actually has a face or not. I think that is a red herring brought on by the fact that the comic caption sounds very similar to the rule about not eating anything with a face. Randall's list of approved food items clearly are in the "face" and "no face" category alike. Thus we can conclude that Randall is ok with eating things that have a face, eating things without a face, eating things considered non-Kosher, eating carnivorous, eating vegetables, eating fruits, etc... In fact, we derive from this list that Randall has a very large array of food that is considered ok to eat. Thus his caption makes sense only when paired with the title text. Essentially, Randall doesn't eat food that creeps him out. Notice the caption states, "if I have to Google to figure out" which leads me to believe he considers that food to be other-worldly or creepy. This coincides with the title text about being creeped out by the specter of such a being.--R0hrshach (talk) 15:34, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

I think the currently explanation misses the point entirely. Two common 'food rules' are "Don't eat anything with a face" and "Don't eat anything you have to Google" (which would rule out, for example, pork and azodicarbonamide, respectively). The comic is funny because it mixes the two, which is ridiculous. The title-text is funny because it does this again with two more food rules ("Don't eat anything you would have to fight" and "Don't eat anything with a skeleton"). Jtg007 (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

You should update it, I agree. Djbrasier (talk) 19:53, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! You explanation makes so much more sense.141.101.66.23 11:14, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

This current explanation is really incoherent and rambly, and it goes off on so many irrelevant tangents that just confuse it even further (Why is the stuff about kosher even up there?). The many grammar and spelling errors, as well as the Danish Google link, suggests this explanation was written by someone who's not very familiar with English. Recommend that this article be overhauled and rewritten, preferably by a native English speaker.
Also, the title text may be a reference to the spooky skeleton Internet meme. 173.245.54.176 00:35, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

The standard plural in English of octopus is octopuses. However, the word octopus comes from Greek and the Greek plural form octopodes is still occasionally used. The plural form octopi, formed according to rules for some Latin plurals, is incorrect because the word is Greek, not Latin. Just sayin'. 162.158.39.207 08:13, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

I vote YES to the overhauling and rewriting. However, (1) I'm not a native English speaker and (2) I think we should agree first on what should and what shouldn't be there, to avoid repeating the situation. Here's my checklist:

• This has nothing to do with Kosher, that should be completely removed.
• Oysters may require googling to check whether they have anything face-like.
• Google links shouldn't be here, Danish or otherwise.
• I didn't know about the "nothing requiring Google", "nothing you have to fight" and "nothing with a skeleton" rules; if these are indeed common, they really are relevant and the comic should be described simply as a mashup of these. Also, references to webpages describing these would be nice (NOT google searches).
• While I strongly support the idea that the item list is about the caption rule and has nothing to do with the title text rule, it is clear that other people strongly support the exact opposite, so both should be given as alternative explanations.

173.245.49.94 08:25, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

I fully agree.  141.101.66.23 11:14, 8 October 2015 (UTC)