Editing Talk:2055: Bluetooth

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Wireless charging standard may be a pun on the word "charging."  Vikings were certainly known for "charging" into battle, and so Harald may indeed have invented a "wireless charging standard" or a standardized way for his Vikings to enter a battle.  If so, it was unlikely to have used wires. {{unsigned|Tomkonrad}}
: That's just what I was thinking! [[User:Asimong|Asimong]] ([[User talk:Asimong|talk]]) 07:38, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
: Or maybe it's a "wireless charging _standard_" i.e. a flag signal which says "CHAAAARGE!!!!". The term "standard" would be somewhat off and anachronistic, though, but the general idea of giving a kind of visual signal to tell the troops to charge seems legit, imho. Albeit, in that time those signals were most commonly acoustic rather than visual. But I like the idea of playing with the word "standard" besides the word "charge" [[User:Elektrizikekswerk|Elektrizikekswerk]] ([[User talk:Elektrizikekswerk|talk]]) 07:47, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Uh, I don't know anything really about Bluetooth, but do they really use accelerometer timing?  That doesn't sound right...  [[Special:Contributions/172.68.90.88|172.68.90.88]] 17:34, 5 October 2018 (UTC)SiliconWolf
: If you read it again, you should notice that WhiteHat admits that he's lying. Bluetooth doesn't pair that way. He was joking. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 19:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
:: Some of them do pair this way...sort of, their accelerometers tell them they've been picked up and get ready for close range communication (like a couple inches) that exchange information for their bluetooth settings[[Special:Contributions/162.158.75.190|162.158.75.190]] 19:47, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

My headphones use NFC to connect to my phone, I just have to hold the two devices together and they connect! Except they don't, in 90% of cases it doesn't react or I have to move it around a lot. But at least I can just turn the headphones and bluetooth on my phone on and they connect! Unless I have used the headphones for a different device previously, then I need to manually initiate the connection on my phone. Or just randomly when it isn't in a connection-making mood right now. But at least they work on all devices with Bluetooth! Except on my old laptop and my desktop PC (with bluetooth dongle), there it either has a horrible audio quality or completely freezes the system. But at least… No. [[User:Fabian42|Fabian42]] ([[User talk:Fabian42|talk]]) 17:37, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
: My tablet connects to any Bluetooth audio device, no problem; as long as I make it "Forget" every other device in its pairing list first, otherwise it tries to pair to a device which isn't even around. Also, my Mom's car doesn't have GPS navigation or 4G LTE service, but it doesn't seem to have a way to turn off Bluetooth, 4G, or the OnStar system, either. Also, her friend uses a set of Bluetooth speakers to play audio from her Mac, but you can only connect one speaker at a time unless you run a proprietary app which doesn't work very well. Also, neither my phone nor my tablet will transfer any file larger than 1MB by Bluetooth, since a couple system updates over a year ago (Oh, & only a few file types, too). Also, the audio delay when watching videos with Bluetooth audio is so pronounced I have to use a media player with manual A\V synch controls. Also, controlling a "smart TV" by Bluetooth doesn't work anymore for some reason, unless I install a specific app for each TV brand; Infrared still works fine. Also, I've still never had a Bluetooth headset that continues to work when the playback device is in my pocket & I take a step forward. Also, there's a Bluetooth HCI log file stored in my internal memory which gradually grows to hundreds of megs even though I don't have the setting for that log turned on. Also, whenever I turn Location on, or even exit Airplane mode, Bluetooth, WiFi, & NFC all activate briefly, even though I keep them turned off as much as possible; The icons don't light up, but my other devices show the polling attempts in their logs. I got suspicious enough to do a diagnostic & some scans, but aside from the usual usage-tracking from Google, there doesn't seem to be any spyware or malware installed. Bluetooth is awful. [[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 19:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

I miss the jokes in the incomplete discussion banner. Is there really not enough room for both a quip ''and'' the instructions? --[[Special:Contributions/108.162.245.154|108.162.245.154]] 21:16, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

[https://www.impossible.com/josiah/ Josiah Bluetooth] [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 21:25, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

I tried to share link over bluetooth to three people. For one, it worked completely flawlessly. Second one got the file but then it got lost somehow and was unable to use the content. Third one ... the phones didn't even see each other. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 23:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

This car comes with Bluetooth compatibility. What's Bluetooth? Bluetooth is Bluetooth? What is it? BlUuUuUeEeEeToOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoth [[Special:Contributions/162.158.78.70|162.158.78.70]] 13:24, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I’ve actually had a relatively positive experience with Bluetooth lately, at least compared to how it used to be. These days it’s actually useable, airpods work great to pair easily with other apple devices (usually). 

Also where my old car couldn’t be connected to Bluetooth unless you wanted a deafening sound to blare whenever you got a call, and it couldn’t be used to play music, my new car’s media system works pretty well with Bluetooth music, the only annoyance being that when the car is set to a different audio source the phone still tries to route audio to it through Bluetooth, so there is silence when you expect sound from the phone, until you manually change it back to output through its internal speakers.

Bluetooth is still far from perfect, but it’s actually useable now, a huge leap from a few years ago. [[User:PotatoGod|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod|talk]]) 16:38, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Follow up a year and a half later:

Nope, Bluetooth routing still sucks in complex situations: when in a phone call over Bluetooth headphones, if I open my car's door to get something out of it (or someone else in my family does so in the garage while I'm in another room), and suddenly my phone call is routed through the car's speakers instead of my headphones, then I have to frantically switch the phone's output back to the headphones and apologize for needing to ask the person on the other end to repeat the last ten seconds of what they said. Happens every time, except sometimes it will go to speakerphone or the phone's internal speakers instead of the when the door is closed again.

Summary: Bluetooth is great at getting sound from point A to point B, and within an ecosystem (ie Airpods with Apple devices). Outside of those situations, it's a random lottery how it'll behave. [[User:PotatoGod|PotatoGod]] ([[User talk:PotatoGod|talk]]) 02:00, 10 January 2020 (UTC)


It's still hit and miss a lot of times, depending on the devices in question.  My friend's car has Bluetooth, and when it worked it worked great.  But then every once in a while it would stop working, he'd ask me as his tech friend to try to get it working, and I couldn't... and then he had to take it to the car dealership to get it working. [[User:N0lqu|-boB]] ([[User talk:N0lqu|talk]]) 20:45, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I think the "Josiah" is a reference to "Josiah Wedgwood," a famous English entrepreneur and potter. Should this be added? {{unsigned|172.68.141.4|00:39, 7 October 2018}}

:If you think it is a reference, without more, then no it should not be added. If you want to post here what the reasons are (why do you think so?), then we can evaluate them and recommend. But without more, no. Certainly a casual review of {{w|Josiah Wedgwood}} doesn't give any obvious reasons to connect him with "Josiah Bluetooth." p.s.: please sign your posts (with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 02:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Years ago I bought a Linux-compatible USB Bluetooth dongle.  It had several pages of detailed and complex instructions for Windows and Mac, indicating the exact order of operations - if one connected the device before installing drivers and rebooting, for instance, one would have to dig deep into the OS and remove various automatically-installed components - but I couldn't find any instructions for Linux.  Finally I found them - it was one line, "Plug the dongle in".  Worked perfectly.

On the other hand, my very good headphones, which have the wireless connection on the right ear, still lose connection to my laptop if I turn my head to the right... [[User:Cosmogoblin|Cosmogoblin]] ([[User talk:Cosmogoblin|talk]]) 12:00, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

The link between "Josiah" and "Josiah Wedgwood" is probably correct. One of the styles that Josiah Wedgwood is famous for is a blue and white design. A quick Internet search gives lots of examples. This is probably the reason that the ceramic Bluetooth speaker mentioned in the explanation text is named "Josiah". They're both making reference to Josiah Wedgwood and his blue and white pottery.[[User:Hjmillman|Hjmillman]] ([[User talk:Hjmillman|talk]]) 12:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Yes, sorry I didn't mention his pottery style in the original comment. Wedgwood was famous for doing a lot of R&D to develop a style of pottery that replicated Chinese porcelain with blue/white patterns. The 'Josiah' referenced in the comic is probably a reference to Wedgwood. 23:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC) {{unsigned ip|172.68.141.58}}
: I must agree with JohnHawkinson, that doesn't sound like enough of a link. It sounds like stretching a LOT. I feel it actually probably ISN'T a reference to him. Josiah is just a very old fashioned sounding name, sorry. And as John mentioned, please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. :) [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I've found it just works on linux, with the exception of a) HFP/HFC, which has poor sound quality, and b) conflicts from the hellscape of the windows bluetooth stack. It's actually why I switched originally, linux has good a2dp sink behavior (can act as headphones and recieve sound from say a phone), windows has none whatsoever. More recently, I decided to use a wii remote as a mouse. The bluetooth connection was already installed and configured, just needed the x driver. Yes. It literally "just works" with f****** WII REMOTES
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Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
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 I have great trouble believing the statement that Bluetooth was designed for transfer of information "and audio". I suspect the reality is simply that several audio applications have been found (speakers, headphones, handsfree devices for cars...). The audio is the information in those applications, not that audio transfer was part of the original intent of Bluetooth. [[User:NiceGuy1|NiceGuy1]] ([[User talk:NiceGuy1|talk]]) 04:12, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
-:I took a look at [https://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/15/Bluetooth/core_10_b.pdf the official 1999 Bluetooth 1.0B standard (PDF, 1000+ pages)] which specifies "Bluetooth audio" in the "Baseband Specification". In terms of actual use back then, ''"The first consumer Bluetooth device was launched in 1999. It was a hands-free mobile headset that earned the "Best of show Technology Award" at COMDEX."'' --[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth#History The Other Wiki] - the first product being audio is pretty relevant, right? [More useful history/context https://www.headphonesty.com/2021/01/bluetooth-versions/] noting that BT development "... was initiated by Ericsson Mobile CTO Nils Rydbeck in 1989. The first version was ... (developed by) an engineer ... at the same company." (Being a mobile phone comapny in the 90s, audio was pretty much item #1.[[User:Overand|Overand]] ([[User talk:Overand|talk]]) 17:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 I've found it just works on linux, with the exception of a) HFP/HFC, which has poor sound quality, and b) conflicts from the hellscape of the windows bluetooth stack. It's actually why I switched originally, linux has good a2dp sink behavior (can act as headphones and recieve sound from say a phone), windows has none whatsoever. More recently, I decided to use a wii remote as a mouse. The bluetooth connection was already installed and configured, just needed the x driver. Yes. It literally "just works" with f****** WII REMOTES
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 Noone mentions, that white hat uses brackets while speaking? --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 15:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
-:Randomly came across this comic today, wondered about this, went to the explain page and saw that I am the one commenting this already years ago :D Still not sure if/how it would fit into the explanation. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 12:26, 9 August 2023 (UTC)
-Above, people speculated that Josiah Bluetooth owes his existence to Josiah Wedgewood. I personally immediately thought of Jebediah Springfield, another made-up historical figure whose name starts with "J" and ends with "h" and sounds old-timey and Biblical. [[User:Nitpicking|Nitpicking]] ([[User talk:Nitpicking|talk]]) 10:40, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
-Interesting bluetooth 'problem' encountered a few years back. On a two-hire-car trip across country, which I joined part-way through, it became obvious that people/drivers had swapped cars. When some passengers in one car phoned those in the other (to coordinate who was going ahead/stopping for various reasons) the conversation would be punctuated by the voice of the present person speaking across to the other vehicle suddenly being rebroadcast out of our car's speakers as the other vehicle (and the phone of the recipient of the call) came briefly in range of our own and re-established an original hands-free pairing (wanted or unwanted, but probably tried out deliberately when originally driving the other car. Can't recall a connection-tone, but it was clear what was happening. But not sure I recall if it cut handest audio from the phone involved so that the 'conversation' was now only between our handset and our car-audio... or maybe it was now between ''their'' audio (using our handset) and ''our'' audio (using their handset), crossing between vehicles twice (plus a pair of phone signals to the nearest mast and back). I think some settings were unset at some point, though. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.100|172.70.90.100]] 11:12, 3 May 2023 (UTC)