Editing Talk:1174: App

Interestingly, Scott Hanselman just made a [http://www.hanselman.com/blog/IdLikeToUseTheWebMyWayThankYouVeryMuchQuora.aspx blog post about this very issue]. Note how the page in its entirety was downloaded using his mobile data plan, but it's still in no way viewable. --[[User:Buggz|Buggz]] ([[User talk:Buggz|talk]]) 08:27, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

:By "in no way viewable" you mean mobile browsers don't support editing page's DOM like Chrome does out of the box and Firefox do with FireBug extension? (Try pressing F12). Not to speaking about the javascript-in-location-bar tricks someone already started posting on the blog post you mentioned. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 09:29, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
:: I was talking about how the website is done by design. Since the whole page is downloaded you can of course start "hacking" your way through to the content, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Buggz|Buggz]] ([[User talk:Buggz|talk]]) 11:00, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

::: It may be seen as hacking now. But removing ads from websites was also seen as hacking until ad blockers becamed fully automated and popular. If those overlays becomes anoying enough, someone will code extension to get rid of them. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 09:35, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

::::Most mobile browsers don't support extensions, but you COULD disable JavaScript before viewing the page then re enabling it after.
[[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.240|141.101.98.240]] 07:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC) 



prompting mobile views = prompting people viewing the website from a mobile browser ("mobile views" is web designer terminology, not mainstream speech) {{unsigned|195.130.121.48}}

:Right, let's reword that (which you can do yourself, by the way, but I'll admit that from the main page it's not obvious for a newcomer). - [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 11:45, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
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::Seems like [[User:Spongebog|Spongebog]] did actually. - [[User:Cos|Cos]] ([[User talk:Cos|talk]]) 11:49, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Chainsaw Suit also made almost the same joke: http://chainsawsuit.com/2013/01/23/view-the-desktop-version-of-this-site/

It reminds me very much of the way tapatalk-enabled forums act. They keep prompting you to use the app, which - if you have the app - will not open the page you were on.

==What can we learn from this?==
I've learned that there are a billion things in the world that still need to be improved and sometimes if you seeking inspirations for new inventions they sometimes stare you right in the face (Thank you Mr. XKCD). Software engineers among us, lets help them improve their designs and avoid their mistakes ok? - e-inspired [[Special:Contributions/24.51.197.187|24.51.197.187]] 19:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
:I have been heavily influenced by Randall's view on the browser vs mobile dichotomy, (https://xkcd.com/1367/ this being his best showerthought) but I have come to realize that native apps are a genuinely better product than any webpage can be. The fact that apps don't have zoom is a feature, who wants to zoom to a picture, then pan to a scroll bar to move down and then go back to the picture column. Mobile has caught up in terms of UX and product quality, the reason Randall was initially skeptical is because he was born and raised in an internet generation where the best products and users had keyboards and browsers.-- Tomás [[Special:Contributions/198.41.231.135|198.41.231.135]] 00:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
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 Chainsaw Suit also made almost the same joke: http://chainsawsuit.com/2013/01/23/view-the-desktop-version-of-this-site/
-:It's been moved here: https://chainsawsuit.krisstraub.com/20130123.shtml [[User:Schmurr|Schmurr]] ([[User talk:Schmurr|talk]]) 19:58, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
 It reminds me very much of the way tapatalk-enabled forums act. They keep prompting you to use the app, which - if you have the app - will not open the page you were on.
-Related, I stopped using the BBC News App because part way through last year it insisted I use an account to access it (I now just view the BBC website). The BBC Weather App is now also starting to tell me that I will need an account (the same account, that I just don't feel like getting), so no doubt I will keep a tab open in my mobile browser for ''that'', too, at some point.
+==What can we learn from this?==
-<br />I've been using the News/Weather Apps, on successive devices, for maybe a decade and they have worked perfectly well without needing any account-linking... Though the Weather App started to lose the ability to remember more than five locations at a time, without the login, which is a purely a designed-in reduction of functionality that has no technical necessity other than becoming more PesterWare to promote... something to do with branding/enhanced exploitation of user-profiles? Which I'm happy enough to do pasively (device-id, usual stuff) but I'll be darned if I'll actively help them. [[Special:Contributions/172.69.79.185|172.69.79.185]] 21:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
-;What can we learn from this?
 I've learned that there are a billion things in the world that still need to be improved and sometimes if you seeking inspirations for new inventions they sometimes stare you right in the face (Thank you Mr. XKCD). Software engineers among us, lets help them improve their designs and avoid their mistakes ok? - e-inspired [[Special:Contributions/24.51.197.187|24.51.197.187]] 19:17, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 :I have been heavily influenced by Randall's view on the browser vs mobile dichotomy, (https://xkcd.com/1367/ this being his best showerthought) but I have come to realize that native apps are a genuinely better product than any webpage can be. The fact that apps don't have zoom is a feature, who wants to zoom to a picture, then pan to a scroll bar to move down and then go back to the picture column. Mobile has caught up in terms of UX and product quality, the reason Randall was initially skeptical is because he was born and raised in an internet generation where the best products and users had keyboards and browsers.-- Tomás [[Special:Contributions/198.41.231.135|198.41.231.135]] 00:16, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
-::Well, this comic came out 6 years ago, when the apps were not necesarily providing a better UI/UX, and phone screens were often so small, that only a limited number of characters would be possible to display in a size where they can be read, so zooming in and out to read text was often necessary. --[[User:Lupo|Lupo]] ([[User talk:Lupo|talk]]) 06:30, 14 October 2019 (UTC)