Editing Talk:1228: Prometheus

Could this be an analogy for file sharing? {{unsigned ip|24.255.167.124}}


As '''an author''' of very expensive business software, I love the idea of giving it away and making money through "value added".  I truly believe that most people who "steal" software would never have paid for it anyway.  Similarly, when I worked for a clothing manufacturer, other companies were always copying our designs but we made more money than them because we were the place to go for the new stuff. [[User:Hax|Hax]] ([[User talk:Hax|talk]]) 10:19, 21 June 2013 (UTC)


I'd like to say something like "The title-text gives what might be a typical approach to movie dialogue in a typical (Michael) Baysian movie plot," but am not sure I'm correct and/or pithy enough. <!-- Also made it double-lines between contributions.  Why do some Talk boxes 'run on' in the main page insertion and others do not? --> [[Special:Contributions/178.98.31.27|178.98.31.27]] 12:48, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:Do we also need to explain that this line is not in reference to an existing movie? <!-- I dunno --> [[User:DanB|DanB]] ([[User talk:DanB|talk]]) 12:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
:: No, but it IS a reference to the novel "The Salvation War" by Stuart Slade in which modern day humanity DOES go to war with the gods. [[User:ERBOCH|ERBOCH]] ([[User talk:ERBOCH|talk]]) 1:33, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Does the returning what Prometheus stole explanation need to be that involved? I thought it could be interpreted as a simple play on words referring to "returning fire" since it's also just a phrase that means to return an attack? [[Special:Contributions/128.197.37.175|128.197.37.175]] 14:24, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
 
: Haha.. Vote to edit title text to "I'm here to return fire." However, I'm wondering if we've inverted the meaning through the ages, and if the etymology of the phrase won't reveal pacifist origins: returning the fire as in refusing to fight. Refusing to light a war-signal, or light arrows etc. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 16:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

:I'm all for information freedom, but you CAN steal fire. You could take away the only spark/source of ignition/activation energy provision in the possession of the gods. Secondly, fire needs fuel to burn. Take away all their fuel, and you've stolen their fire. Alright, you have your own fuel? Fine, you're still stealing fire, because once you've discovered how to make a fire - you burn your fuel, release more combustible products, and choke the atmosphere (Though, we'd have snuffed ourselves out before we snuffed out Olympus). In any case, you're accelerating the {{w|heat death}} of the universe, and making all thermodynamic cycles "less efficient" because of the higher sink temperatures. But that's not the marrow of the bone of contention. Even the original Prometheus-v-Gods animosity arose because of information theft, and not 'property' theft. [[Special:Contributions/220.224.246.97|220.224.246.97]] 16:40, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

:: You CAN steal fire, but looking at the {{w|Prometheus}} myth it doesn't seem gods lost the fire after the "theft". Would be pretty hard, too, considering the gods ({{w|Hephaestus}} specifically) have {{w|volcano}}s (which, technically, are powered by geothermal energy and not by burning fuel ; speaking about them, igniting wood using volcanos can easily be a source of Prometheus myth). And the thermal death of universe? Chemical reactions are insignificant in this regard. Finally, the reason Gods hated Prometheus for stealing fire is generally agreed upon to be them being jerks. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 10:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

::Could it also be a reference to Terry Pratchett's "The Last Hero?" Y'know, where Cohen the Barbarian (et al) decide to return fire to the gods...?(-Aerych){{unsigned ip|216.131.24.14}}

:::I immediately thought of The Last Hero too.{{unsigned ip|199.83.221.155}}

::::Actually nothing in comics seems to specifically refer The Last Hero, suggesting that Pratchett and Randall simply had the same idea about how the phrase of "returning fire to gods" can be interpretted. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 10:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

:::::Just that Pratchett had it in 2001, and published it widely. Surely a geek should be well aware of the Diskworld series? Cohen starts off by saying that 'The Last Hero should return what the First Hero stole...' and, later on provides a typical one-liner "We're going to return fire to the Gods. With interest..." (reveals a barrel of gunpowder) {{unsigned|86.10.119.75}}

::::::To be precise, Agatean Thunder Clay.  While Discworld has black powder explosive (see Men At Arms), this is something that "you have to smash a jar of acid in the mixture.  The acid soaks into it, and then - kabloouie, I believe the term is."  So maybe a sort of 'binary explosive mixture' type of thing, although the clay bit harks back to Alfred Nobel's original breakthrough.  But it's very much a mix of memes, as it ends up proving powerful enough (a single barrel of it becoming "an explosion which has reduced a mountain to a valley") that it's very much an atomic-weapon analogue.  Sorry, just thought I'd clarify, even if it's not direct inspiration to Randall or overly relevent to this comic. [[Special:Contributions/178.98.31.27|178.98.31.27]] 20:03, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Fire is like information: a very important part of human life here on Earth, spreads easily and quickly, and, if in the wrong hands, can be incredibly dangerous. [[User:SuperSupermario24|<span style="color: #c21aff;">Just some random derp</span>]] 23:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
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-''"The gods gave us fire, but blowing stuff up -- That was our idea."'' -- Ahoy, ''Rocket Launcher.'' [[User:Blacksilver|Blacksilver]] ([[User talk:Blacksilver|talk]]) 19:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)
+Could this be an analogy for file sharing? {{unsigned ip|24.255.167.124}}
-Could this be an analogy for  sharing? {{unsigned ip|24.255.167.124}}
 As '''an author''' of very expensive business software, I love the idea of giving it away and making money through "value added".  I truly believe that most people who "steal" software would never have paid for it anyway.  Similarly, when I worked for a clothing manufacturer, other companies were always copying our designs but we made more money than them because we were the place to go for the new stuff. [[User:Hax|Hax]] ([[User talk:Hax|talk]]) 10:19, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
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 Fire is like information: a very important part of human life here on Earth, spreads easily and quickly, and, if in the wrong hands, can be incredibly dangerous. [[User:SuperSupermario24|<span style="color: #c21aff;">Just some random derp</span>]] 23:33, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
-I'm missing the negative aspect of the fire metaphor in the explanation. "Fire wants to be free." If you ''set fire free'', it spreads and destroys quite a lot in its wake. Well, I could think of a few negative aspects in /information-sharing. Whatever. But I'm not fighting sharing. "All your  'R' belong to everyone!" {{unsigned ip|162.158.83.144}}
-) I read Title-text. 2) Me: YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!! [[User:SilverMagpie|SilverMagpie]] ([[User talk:SilverMagpie|talk]]) 20:40, 10 November 2016 (UTC)