Editing Talk:1426: Reduce Your Payments

It's a chemical reduction. Here's the wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_agent[[Special:Contributions/199.27.133.109|199.27.133.109]] 04:25, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

This needs more help by a professional chemist... And I need to go to work... So if anyone continues clarification work - thanks, else I'll do a little more after work/afterwards[[User:Tier666|Tier666]] ([[User talk:Tier666|talk]]) 05:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

I tried to clear up some things, but I am not a chemistry expert either.. --[[User:Flai|Flai]] ([[User talk:Flai|talk]]) 06:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Hints (just looked into lit a little bit): NaBH<sub>4</sub> would not really reduce the paper (make it vanish by reducing the cellulose to something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbitol ) but may reduce (and so "vanishing") the ink: http://www.jeb.co.in/journal_issues/200911_nov09/paper_05.pdf http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/de-gruyter/degradation-of-cellulose-by-sodium-borohydride-b1EI17tyhs --> You can use a little bit of NaBH<sub>4</sub> to make whiter paper[[User:Tier666|Tier666]] ([[User talk:Tier666|talk]]) 08:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Google Sodium Borohydride + Paper and the majority of results are based on its use to bleach the pulp during manufacture. A quick search doesn't yield any obvious results on the effects on printed paper. --[[User:Pudder|Pudder]] ([[User talk:Pudder|talk]]) 09:10, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Look at that! My chemistry degree comes in handy for once! NaBH4 is used for lots of reductions in organic synthesis. The fact that he is using it on paper (an organic substance) doesn't seem to add to the comic in my opinion. NaBH4 is one of the strongest reducers, so I think it's more of an archetypal reference rather than a specific reference. My two cents. Also I fixed the explanation of reduction.
[[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.169|173.245.54.169]] 09:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

If Black Hat is having trouble oxidizing the bill, might I suggest [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride chlorine trifluoride]?

Or you can try the infamous Dioxygen Diflouride...  [http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxygen_difluoride]
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 This needs more help by a professional chemist... And I need to go to work... So if anyone continues clarification work - thanks, else I'll do a little more after work/afterwards[[User:Tier666|Tier666]] ([[User talk:Tier666|talk]]) 05:21, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
-I tried to clear up some things, but I am not a chemestry expert either.. --[[User:Flai|Flai]] ([[User talk:Flai|talk]]) 06:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
+I tried to clear up some things, but I am not a chemistry expert either.. --[[User:Flai|Flai]] ([[User talk:Flai|talk]]) 06:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
 Hints (just looked into lit a little bit): NaBH<sub>4</sub> would not really reduce the paper (make it vanish by reducing the cellulose to something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbitol ) but may reduce (and so "vanishing") the ink: http://www.jeb.co.in/journal_issues/200911_nov09/paper_05.pdf http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/de-gruyter/degradation-of-cellulose-by-sodium-borohydride-b1EI17tyhs --> You can use a little bit of NaBH<sub>4</sub> to make whiter paper[[User:Tier666|Tier666]] ([[User talk:Tier666|talk]]) 08:15, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
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 [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.169|173.245.54.169]] 09:18, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
-If Black Hat is having trouble oxidizing the bill, might I suggest [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride chlorine trifluoride]? {{unsigned ip|108.162.216.105}}
+If Black Hat is having trouble oxidizing the bill, might I suggest [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine_trifluoride chlorine trifluoride]?
-Or you can try the infamous Dioxygen Diflouride...  [http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxygen_difluoride] {{unsigned ip|199.27.133.136}}
+Or you can try the infamous Dioxygen Diflouride...  [http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxygen_difluoride]
-Can someone explain more explicitly what "improve the resulting paper's properties" means?  What properties are changed and how does that change represent an improvement (sturdier, whiter, easier to fold, easier to get ink to bind to it, etc.)? [[User:Djbrasier|Djbrasier]] ([[User talk:Djbrasier|talk]]) 20:54, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
-Generally for reductive bleaching for improved brightness in the pulp and paper industry.  Often used but not as a rule after a peroxide (oxidative) bleaching step to get several more ISO points of brightness by reducing chromophores.  Datasheet from one manufacturer: http://www.montchem.com/MontBrite1240.pdf {{unsigned ip|173.245.52.194}}
-Wouldn't Mr. Pedantic suggest Black Hat's question to be "... REDUCING YOUR MORTGAGE BILL."? Would've made more sense to him given Black Hat's explanation. [[User:NerillDP|NerillDP]] ([[User talk:NerillDP|talk]]) 00:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
-:Not necessarily. The payment appears to take the form of a paper check, checks are usually issued by a bank(1), and the paper on which they're printed is controlled by the company contracted to produce the checks (not necessarily the bank, but saying "your bank uses some really weird paper [for printing your checks]" is a reasonable thing to say). (1) To be super-pedantic, you can technically write a valid check on pretty much anything that will accept permanent writing, but getting a bank to accept it might be a little tricky. [[Special:Contributions/108.162.217.191|108.162.217.191]] 23:15, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
-::See the negotiable cow/getting HM Revenue and Customs to accept it as payment [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.73|173.245.50.73]] 18:05, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
-This is one of those jokes that would be extremely hard to translate to different languages. Translating "Reduce" a mortgage bill in Russian, for example, would result in a direct translation to "restore" = "восстановление" (as a redox reaction part). Having your mortgage payments restored to full would hurt more than reducing them with NaBH<sub>4</sub>. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.138.208|172.68.138.208]] 11:37, 26 October 2023 (UTC)