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::I realize this is an uphill battle, but I can’t help reminiscing about how Wikipedia, about a decade ago, seemingly implied that “U.F.O.” referred to “a pseudoscientific belief in ‘flying saucers’ piloted by little green men from the planet Mars” rather than being a military and aeronautical term referring to a wide range of common phenomena, some of which are claimed, by some, to be evidence for a widely known pseudoscientific theory. I will refrain from mentioning more recent questionable editing of Wikipedia, as I don’t want to bring any more hotheaded contention to what is already a hopeless struggle, but many of you are familiar with the sort of thing I am referring to. I am aware that Randal’s characters referring to a “real Mandela Effect” already has the implication that “the Mandela Effect is not real”, but do we really want to contribute to the growing conflation of observed and documented phenomena with the pseudoscience explanations for them, simply because the pseudoscience occupies more of the popular consciousness? The redirect currently points to a subsection of a Wikipedia article on False Memories; surely we don’t want to add to any further confusion in common parlance between False Memories and esoteric explanations for them involving alternate realities? Before you dismiss my concerns, think about how often you encounter a firm conviction that “anyone who believes in UFOs is crazy or stupid”, or even more bizarre claims like “Flat Earthers aren’t real” (rather than “Flat Earthers are real people who believe in a particular pseudoscientific theory”). Just because the popular discussion of the Mandela Effect is dominated by discussions that conflate the phenomenon of commonalities in miss-remembered history, with a particular pseudoscientific explanation, must we accept that sociologists and psychologists can no longer discuss the former, because it is firmly settled, in the non-scientific discussions of the day, that any such conversation must be about that latter? [[User:Eclair Egglayer|Eclair Egglayer]] ([[User talk:Eclair Egglayer|talk]]) 09:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC) | ::I realize this is an uphill battle, but I can’t help reminiscing about how Wikipedia, about a decade ago, seemingly implied that “U.F.O.” referred to “a pseudoscientific belief in ‘flying saucers’ piloted by little green men from the planet Mars” rather than being a military and aeronautical term referring to a wide range of common phenomena, some of which are claimed, by some, to be evidence for a widely known pseudoscientific theory. I will refrain from mentioning more recent questionable editing of Wikipedia, as I don’t want to bring any more hotheaded contention to what is already a hopeless struggle, but many of you are familiar with the sort of thing I am referring to. I am aware that Randal’s characters referring to a “real Mandela Effect” already has the implication that “the Mandela Effect is not real”, but do we really want to contribute to the growing conflation of observed and documented phenomena with the pseudoscience explanations for them, simply because the pseudoscience occupies more of the popular consciousness? The redirect currently points to a subsection of a Wikipedia article on False Memories; surely we don’t want to add to any further confusion in common parlance between False Memories and esoteric explanations for them involving alternate realities? Before you dismiss my concerns, think about how often you encounter a firm conviction that “anyone who believes in UFOs is crazy or stupid”, or even more bizarre claims like “Flat Earthers aren’t real” (rather than “Flat Earthers are real people who believe in a particular pseudoscientific theory”). Just because the popular discussion of the Mandela Effect is dominated by discussions that conflate the phenomenon of commonalities in miss-remembered history, with a particular pseudoscientific explanation, must we accept that sociologists and psychologists can no longer discuss the former, because it is firmly settled, in the non-scientific discussions of the day, that any such conversation must be about that latter? [[User:Eclair Egglayer|Eclair Egglayer]] ([[User talk:Eclair Egglayer|talk]]) 09:51, 14 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
:::Tried to read your statment but could not understand the point. Mandela effect is not real! UFO as in from aliens are not real. But of course an object you do not know what is that flies is a UFO. But not from outer space. Cannot understand your objections. Are they against Randall's comic or this explanation? --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | :::Tried to read your statment but could not understand the point. Mandela effect is not real! UFO as in from aliens are not real. But of course an object you do not know what is that flies is a UFO. But not from outer space. Cannot understand your objections. Are they against Randall's comic or this explanation? --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
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The title text referenced the password strength comic, and I had to go back and check that the comic's example password was really "correcthorsebatterystaple". {{unsigned ip|172.68.38.88}} | The title text referenced the password strength comic, and I had to go back and check that the comic's example password was really "correcthorsebatterystaple". {{unsigned ip|172.68.38.88}} | ||
I found out that the new sprouts actually came out in 1999. See: [https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/nieuw-zoete-spruitjes~b6803ee03/ nieuwe zoete spruitjes] {{unsigned ip|141.101.76.16 }} | I found out that the new sprouts actually came out in 1999. See: [https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/nieuw-zoete-spruitjes~b6803ee03/ nieuwe zoete spruitjes] {{unsigned ip|141.101.76.16 }} | ||
− | : ...Huh. That means that the tasty Brussels sprouts I've eaten as a kid might have already been the new variety (I was 7 years old in 1999, and I ''think'' those memories go back farther than that, but I'm not actually very sure). --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.55.22|172.69.55.22]] 20:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC) | + | : ...Huh. That means that the tasty Brussels sprouts I've eaten as a kid might have already been the new variety (I was 7 years old in 1999, and I ''think'' those memories go back farther than that, but I'm not actually very sure). --[[Special:Contributions/172.69.55.22|172.69.55.22]] 20:24, 14 December 2019 (UTC): Don't think so, it probably took a few years before they were cultivated in the US. In the Netherlands and the rest of Europe they have not broken through at all. 1999 was the year it was developed. |
− | : Don't think so, it probably took a few years before they were cultivated in the US. In the Netherlands and the rest of Europe they have not broken through at all. 1999 was the year it was developed. | ||
When my mother prepared brussel sprouts when I was a child, she would boil them to tenderness, aka just short of boiling them to death. This tended to leach all the soluble stuff, like sugars and vitamins, into the water and emphasize the sulphur compounds. In more recent times, I have had them prepared better and prepared them myself better (cut in half through the stem, drizzle with oil and roast or pan fry) and they can be very tasty. [[User:Nutster|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster|talk]]) 18:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC) | When my mother prepared brussel sprouts when I was a child, she would boil them to tenderness, aka just short of boiling them to death. This tended to leach all the soluble stuff, like sugars and vitamins, into the water and emphasize the sulphur compounds. In more recent times, I have had them prepared better and prepared them myself better (cut in half through the stem, drizzle with oil and roast or pan fry) and they can be very tasty. [[User:Nutster|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster|talk]]) 18:02, 15 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
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I was really damn confused by the alt text until I read the explanation. I kept thinking "saw them open" meant "cut through them" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.214.136|162.158.214.136]] 08:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | I was really damn confused by the alt text until I read the explanation. I kept thinking "saw them open" meant "cut through them" [[Special:Contributions/162.158.214.136|162.158.214.136]] 08:13, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
:Yes this was one of those few moments where I mus admit I would never have understood this my self, and also not have been able to search my way to it. BevauseI really never go to a concert with a opening act. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | :Yes this was one of those few moments where I mus admit I would never have understood this my self, and also not have been able to search my way to it. BevauseI really never go to a concert with a opening act. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
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Comic seems to have been updated to fix the NPR reference number [[Special:Contributions/162.158.166.53|162.158.166.53]] 10:27, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | Comic seems to have been updated to fix the NPR reference number [[Special:Contributions/162.158.166.53|162.158.166.53]] 10:27, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
:I have updated the image, but usually it takes some hours before the new version will be present on this page. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | :I have updated the image, but usually it takes some hours before the new version will be present on this page. --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 15:58, 16 December 2019 (UTC) | ||
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