Editing Talk:2327: Oily House Index

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Dangit Randall, this was my retirement plan & now everybody's gonna want to try it! 
[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 00:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Negative Equity (owing more than the house is worth) ''shouldn't'' be an immediate problem under most circumstances. If the householder isn't actually wanting to move and can still afford the asked-for repayments then it doesn't change the physical situation at all. The bank has no problems so long as the household has no problems, as they ride over (temporary) pricing crashes and emerge the other side. It's when banks get nervous that the home'owners' ''might'' default and thus put pressures on them (e.g. 'negotiating' for unsustainably greater repayments or 'immediate settlement' of the unforeseen temporary deficit) that they could tip their so-called customer over the edge. And an increase of defaulting further suppresses house-prices (general availability of sell-quick homes by owners/bank and/or the reduced neighbourhood value around abandoned properties not sold ''nor'' (officially) lived in) to draw more agreements into the self-creating danger-zone. Of course it aint as simple as all that. And permanently being underwater due to coastal flooding, ''probably'' won't sit well with the actuaries behind your continuing loan if your property isn't in Innsmouth... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.76|162.158.159.76]] 09:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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Can someone figure out where I went wrong here?<br>
>The comic then applies dimensional analysis to this index: dividing $/sqft by $/bbl yields a result whose dimension is a linear measurement, which can be called length. 1 barrel is 5.6 cubic feet. The average price per square foot of a new single-family dwelling in the USA in 2019 was about 119 $/sqft, while the price of oil in mid 2019 was about $60/BBL or $337/cubic foot. Dividing gives 60/337 feet-1 or about 5.61 feet. (This doesn't match the value shown on the chart of around 15, so we have done something wrong here. :))<br>
Thanks. [[User:Stevage|Stevage]] ([[User talk:Stevage|talk]]) 00:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:Since barrels are in the denominator, you have to divide by 5.6 to get the price per cubic foot. [[User:LegionMammal978|LegionMammal978]] ([[User talk:LegionMammal978|talk]]) 01:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
($/area)/($/volume)=($/sq.ft)/($/cu.ft)=1/ft? Shouldn't the result be in ft?

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Shouldn't area divided by volume be height, not length? It would also fit better with the graph. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.123.173|162.158.123.173]] 03:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:For dimensional analysis, you don't care about the physical context of the units, just about the dimension they are associated with. Height is horizontal length, so it has the dimension of length. In the context of the comic this length can be interpreted as a height, but in another context, it could be a length in a different orientation. [[Special:Contributions/162.158.88.78|162.158.88.78]] 04:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

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Should we start a category of dimensional analysis comics: e.g. [[687]], [[1707]], [[2312]] --[[User:WhiteDragon|WhiteDragon]] ([[User talk:WhiteDragon|talk]]) 07:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

;Division Error?
You can't divide by zero; which means Randall made an error. Should we update the page to reflect this? [[Special:Contributions/173.245.52.67|173.245.52.67]] 10:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:"OHI briefly became infinite as oil prices reached zero in 2020" could be read as approaching both infinity and zero; that fixes the problem [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.249|162.158.74.249]] 11:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
::Randall did not divide by zero. If the price went continually to zero the OHI would aproach infinity. Of course at the time the price hit zero (or negative), then the OHI breaks down, which is what infinite means. So he did not make any error. (Wrote this and had an edit conflict with the first reply.) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)


The comic should not use the word "mortgage," because the calculations are based on sale price.  The size of the mortgage depends on the down payment. [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 11:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
:My understanding is that if you fully mortgage your house (so that you now have in your hands enough money to buy the house again) and convert the total amount of money that the house is worth into oil, you can then fill your house with X feet of oil. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.56|141.101.98.56]] 15:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
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 :Since barrels are in the denominator, you have to divide by 5.6 to get the price per cubic foot. [[User:LegionMammal978|LegionMammal978]] ([[User talk:LegionMammal978|talk]]) 01:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 ($/area)/($/volume)=($/sq.ft)/($/cu.ft)=1/ft? Shouldn't the result be in ft?
-:($/sq.ft)/($/cu.ft)=($/sq.ft)*(cu.ft/$)=($*ft*ft*ft)/($*ft*ft)=ft I initially made the 1/ft mistake too, until I remembered to invert the fraction in the denominator[[Special:Contributions/172.69.63.155|172.69.63.155]] 14:53, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
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 :"OHI briefly became infinite as oil prices reached zero in 2020" could be read as approaching both infinity and zero; that fixes the problem [[Special:Contributions/162.158.74.249|162.158.74.249]] 11:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 ::Randall did not divide by zero. If the price went continually to zero the OHI would aproach infinity. Of course at the time the price hit zero (or negative), then the OHI breaks down, which is what infinite means. So he did not make any error. (Wrote this and had an edit conflict with the first reply.) --[[User:Kynde|Kynde]] ([[User talk:Kynde|talk]]) 11:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
-:You can divide by zero, its just that those lazy mathematicians haven't defined it yet.
-::Programmers have defined it but it isn't a number: x/0 = NaN (Not a Number) [[Special:Contributions/108.162.216.134|108.162.216.134]] 11:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-[[Special:Contributions/162.158.123.155|162.158.123.155]] 04:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-::: Actually, most programmers, including IEEE, define x/0 as Infinity if x > 0, -Infinity if x < 0, and NaN if x = 0 (for floating-point numbers; for integers, it's still undefined). [[Special:Contributions/162.158.62.32|162.158.62.32]]
-::  We defined it; y'all just don't like what we came up with.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_theory  [[User:TobyBartels|TobyBartels]] ([[User talk:TobyBartels|talk]]) 06:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-:You can divide by zero, but it doesn't do the house any good: [http://i.imgur.com/SHAuVKX.jpg House divided by zero] [[User:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For]] ([[User talk:These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For|talk]]) 22:23, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
-:Randall writes “became infinite”, not “became infinity”, isn’t that a difference? Dividing by zero doesn’t give something finite, so it is in-finite, but not ∞, right?
 The comic should not use the word "mortgage," because the calculations are based on sale price.  The size of the mortgage depends on the down payment. [[User:Cellocgw|Cellocgw]] ([[User talk:Cellocgw|talk]]) 11:40, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 :My understanding is that if you fully mortgage your house (so that you now have in your hands enough money to buy the house again) and convert the total amount of money that the house is worth into oil, you can then fill your house with X feet of oil. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.56|141.101.98.56]] 15:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
-::Find me a mortgage that will give me 100% of the value of my house. Please!  [[Special:Contributions/162.158.123.155|162.158.123.155]] 04:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-:::Hint: Start by not writing in the "Reason for mortgage" box anything like "I want to entirely fill my home with viscous and/or flammable liquid". Notwithstanding what I believe the US calls 'zoning laws'... [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.14|162.158.159.14]] 20:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-It's a pity the graph doesn't go back as far as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis 1973 oil crisis]. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.98.26|141.101.98.26]] 12:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-I belatedly wonder if the title is meant to be similar to some other famous Index that I happen to have not heard of.  Searching around, Freedom House is an American... thing, which apparently publishes a "Freedom House Index" which is a sort of measurement of how "democratic" a country is from year to year.  So something like that...  Robert Carnegie [email protected] [[Special:Contributions/162.158.159.14|162.158.159.14]] 21:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
-Shouldn't the OHI be higher because the footprint of a multiple story house is less than its square footage? - 162.158.74.173
-I sent this to Matt Levine, and he included it in his Money Stuff newsletter. [https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-02/free-wirecard-money-costs-softbank] [[User:Benjaminikuta|Benjaminikuta]] ([[User talk:Benjaminikuta|talk]]) 07:01, 8 July 2020 (UTC)