Editing Talk:2443: Immune Response

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Well, we do need to take care of our immune systems for them to take care of us.  Proper nutrition and getting plenty of reset are important for your immune function.  It has also been shown that high levels of stress hormones over a long time can reduce the effectiveness of the immune system to protect you, so having a positive attitude can improve your ability to ward off infections.  [[User:Nutster|Nutster]] ([[User talk:Nutster|talk]]) 01:10, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
:You don't want the human to stress out excessively, but that's because it takes away resources from the immune system. You ''do'' want the immune system itself to work hard. And in the case of a vaccination, it should believe that it's the real thing. See [https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/2406:_Viral_Vector_Immunity Viral Vector Immunity] [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 05:17, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
::Yeah, you want the immune system to be in stress, not you. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 00:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

I would strongly prefer to wait 5-to-10 (to 30) years for long term studies before trying any new types of vaccine or medicine, but apparently my friends & family still want to see me in person before then. Oh well; at least I can keep wearing the mask at the grocery? 
[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 05:31, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
:I dont blame you for waiting most vaccines undergo years of testing before they can be used. the covid vaccines skipped all the testing  because they want it out there as fast as possible. --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.63.164|162.158.63.164]] 18:00, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
::(Hope you don't mind, I corrected your 'indenting'.) Not really true. They did indeed test them. They may have accelerated 'normal' testing cycles and given provisional Emergency Use status, while further trial results were pending, but that was based on favourable (and, vitally, non-adverse) early but still thorough Phase III results. As well as stupid political stuff and other malicious misinformation, which is probably putting far more lives at risk, there is also continued monitoring and post-distribution testing going on of as many of the dozen-ish rolled-out versions. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.207|141.101.99.207]] 19:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
:::They definitely accelerated normal testing, also did it in parallel instead of sequentially, but unless you are 70 year old you likely don't get to the vaccine before it will be tested as well as other vaccines. And what's more important, not seeing your family in person is not reliable way to avoid the infection: sure, it helps, but it's definitely safer to get vaccinated than to try social isolation for next 30 years. Unless you actually take it so seriously you keep all food in quarantine for four days after delivery, which must be implemented contactlessly, with spraying while front yard with disinfection when the delivery person leaves so it's safe to open the door. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 00:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

If Cells At Work taught me anything, it's that most immune cells are the kind of person who would treat simple training with deadly severity.
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 ::(Hope you don't mind, I corrected your 'indenting'.) Not really true. They did indeed test them. They may have accelerated 'normal' testing cycles and given provisional Emergency Use status, while further trial results were pending, but that was based on favourable (and, vitally, non-adverse) early but still thorough Phase III results. As well as stupid political stuff and other malicious misinformation, which is probably putting far more lives at risk, there is also continued monitoring and post-distribution testing going on of as many of the dozen-ish rolled-out versions. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.207|141.101.99.207]] 19:25, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
 :::They definitely accelerated normal testing, also did it in parallel instead of sequentially, but unless you are 70 year old you likely don't get to the vaccine before it will be tested as well as other vaccines. And what's more important, not seeing your family in person is not reliable way to avoid the infection: sure, it helps, but it's definitely safer to get vaccinated than to try social isolation for next 30 years. Unless you actually take it so seriously you keep all food in quarantine for four days after delivery, which must be implemented contactlessly, with spraying while front yard with disinfection when the delivery person leaves so it's safe to open the door. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 00:05, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
-::::Indeed, if it weren't for the massively parallel testing, & (depending which vaccine you end up getting) the not-unprecedented methodology of its function, I would have many more concerns about taking any treatment this new. (Especially since our government went out of its way to make sure the situation got truly terrifying, before pushing a treatment that will make sure that anyone who hadn't been exposed will be; I'm not going to let my own paranoia get the best of me, but what used to be considered "paranoid" too often turns out to mean "correct", so if it were ''just'' our government pushing for it I'd be like "Nah, I'm good" & go hide for another year.) At least with parallel testing we get a very large sample set. Of course that doesn't find many of the same things long-term testing can, but I'm impressed how diligent some in our medical-science community have been, in disseminating detailed, cogent information & advisories. A great example of what leadership ''could'' look like.
-::::Oh, & I wouldn't say getting vaccinated is necessarily safer than isolating: the ''level'' of exposure counts for a lot, & having a more immediately targeted immune response is no guarantee, with regard to highly resilient infections. As someone who already didn't go to events unless paid to, & never had the income to be reliant on restaurant food, the US "isolation" practices are almost a piece of cake (as contrasted with actual ''quarantine'' measures or any actual lockdown). Being more consistent about cleaning stuff off before I handle it, took all of a few weeks to habituate to. A few decades or more of getting my hands dirty has trained in a lot of hazmat practices anyway... Just ''not going to a party where I sit on shared surfaces in a crowded space'' can do more to reduce my risk of infection than a vaccination from a few months back during the spring. Vaccination schmaxination, there's gonna be another pandemic just around the corner at this rate: Even after we all got our second shots, I was really hoping we'd learn to keep up the extra hygiene & distancing as much as possible!
-::::[[User:ProphetZarquon|ProphetZarquon]] ([[User talk:ProphetZarquon|talk]]) 03:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
+If Cells At Work taught me anything, it's that most immune cells are the kind of person who would treat simple training with deadly severity.
-If Cells At Work taught me anything, it's that most immune cells are the kind of person who would treat simple training with deadly severity. [[User:GreatWyrmGold|GreatWyrmGold]] ([[User talk:GreatWyrmGold|talk]]) 12:52, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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