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As an example of a similar oddity in a real game, the "simplified" version of Advanced Squad Leader, found in the Starter Kit products, includes a map with grain fields. Instead of (1) treating the grain as always present and thus able to provide concealment for soldiers, or (2) conditionally removed on a scenario-by-scenario basis ("All grain hexes are treated as Open Ground during this scenario"), the designers added a rule in the rulebook: "Grain is in season during the months of June and July". Players are expected to actually check the date printed on the scenario description in order to find out whether the grain is high enough to prevent clear shots. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.93.37|172.70.93.37]] 06:02, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
  
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So many modern board games are made complex by complex rules, but remain simplistic. Go is very simple (grid of nineteen lines, two types of pieces, and about three rules, but is arguably the most inherently complex game in existence. [[User:RIIW - Ponder it|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it|talk]]) 23:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)  
 
So many modern board games are made complex by complex rules, but remain simplistic. Go is very simple (grid of nineteen lines, two types of pieces, and about three rules, but is arguably the most inherently complex game in existence. [[User:RIIW - Ponder it|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it|talk]]) 23:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)  
 
:That "about" three rules, continues to confound me. Everyone who's tried to explain them to me, says it's easier to learn by playing, but I ''still'' don't fully understand, even after losing a dozen games & watching many more. It's a shapey spacey thing, & I'm not sure it makes sense to me.  
 
:That "about" three rules, continues to confound me. Everyone who's tried to explain them to me, says it's easier to learn by playing, but I ''still'' don't fully understand, even after losing a dozen games & watching many more. It's a shapey spacey thing, & I'm not sure it makes sense to me.  
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One hundred internet points to whomever designs such a game! [[User:Cwallenpoole|Cwallenpoole]] ([[User talk:Cwallenpoole|talk]]) 16:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 
One hundred internet points to whomever designs such a game! [[User:Cwallenpoole|Cwallenpoole]] ([[User talk:Cwallenpoole|talk]]) 16:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 
: Now I'm picturing Matt Mercer running a session of whatever it is... live on Twitch. Dammit. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.161|172.70.110.161]] 18:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 
: Now I'm picturing Matt Mercer running a session of whatever it is... live on Twitch. Dammit. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.110.161|172.70.110.161]] 18:51, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 
As an example of a similar oddity in a real game, the "simplified" version of Advanced Squad Leader, found in the Starter Kit products, includes a map with grain fields. Instead of (1) treating the grain as always present and thus able to provide concealment for soldiers, or (2) conditionally removed on a scenario-by-scenario basis ("All grain hexes are treated as Open Ground during this scenario"), the designers added a rule in the rulebook: "Grain is in season during the months of June and July". Players are expected to actually check the date printed on the scenario description in order to find out whether the grain is high enough to prevent clear shots. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.93.37|172.70.93.37]] 06:02, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 

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