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==Transcript==
:[The comic is narrated by an unspecified person. All dialog is shown in boxes overlaid on the comic panels.]
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:[The entire comic is narrated by Cueball, and never spoken by the Cueball shown in the examples. All dialog is shown in rectangular frames overlaid on the comic panels.]
  
:[The panel background looks like a cloudy sky, with the clouds all running together and appearing as a blue
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:[In the first panel the background shows a cloudy sky in color, with the clouds all running together and appearing as a blue gray smear. Towards the bottom the horizon and the ground appear dark almost black at the very bottom. Two frames with two lines of text are at the top left and right, similar below except the one to the left has four lines and the one to the right only one line.]
:grey smear.]
 
 
:I've always had trouble with the size of clouds.
 
:I've always had trouble with the size of clouds.
 
:I ''know'' they're huge. I can see their shapes.
 
:I ''know'' they're huge. I can see their shapes.
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:They're a backdrop.
 
:They're a backdrop.
  
:[A person stands on a flat disk inside a hemispherical dome with the front half cut away. The dome is labelled "Sky", and the disk is labelled "Ground". The dome is about twice as tall as the person.]
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:[The next panel is split in three parts. The top part is in a single frame. The middle part is frame-less and only has text - the only narrating not inside one of the frames. Then at the bottom there are two frames overlaid over three small panels in a row]
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:[In the top part of the 2ns panel stands Cueball on a flat disk inside a hemispherical dome with the front half cut away. The dome is about three times as tall as Cueball. Above the dome there is one frame with text. There is also two labeled arrows pointing to the dome and the disk.]
 
:Stars are the same way.
 
:Stars are the same way.
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:Arrow up: Sky
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:Arrow down: Ground
  
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:[Text in between the top and the bottom panels:]
 
:I know they're scattered through and endless ocean, but my gut insists they're a painting on a domed ceiling.
 
:I know they're scattered through and endless ocean, but my gut insists they're a painting on a domed ceiling.
  
:((The next two lines of dialog are stretched over the following three panels.))
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:[The next two frames with text is overlaid above (three lines of text) and below (one line of text) the three panels described first. Those three panels are all inverted with black background and white Cueball:]
:[A person stands on a curved surface, looking up.]
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:[Left panel: Cueball stands on a curved surface, looking up.]
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:[Middle panel: The perspective of the scene shifts, suddenly the surface Cueball is standing on is in the top left of the panel. Cueball is now looking down, leaning back, and waving his arms trying to regain balance.
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:[Right panel: The perspective of the scene returns to normal, Cueball is now semi-crouched, staring at the ground with legs spaced apart to help him balance.]
 
:If I try hard enough, I get a glimmer of depth, a dizzying sense of space,
 
:If I try hard enough, I get a glimmer of depth, a dizzying sense of space,
 
:[The perspective of the scene shifts, suddenly the surface the person was standing on is in the top left of the panel. The person is now looking down, leaning back, and waving their arms trying to regain balance.]
 
 
:But then everything snaps back.
 
:But then everything snaps back.
  
:[The perspective of the scene returns to normal, the person is now semi-crouched, staring at the ground with legs spaced apart to help them balance.]
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:[An American football field is shown with Cueball drawn very small near the middle. Sections at the left tips of each of the goal posts are highlighted and shown as a zoomed view in an insert box. These insert shows the two webcams mounted on the top of the very tip, one for each goal posts. There are two frames with text above the field, the top one most to the left with one line, the second directly below it with two lines, and below the field there is also one frame with one line in it.]
 
 
:[An American football field is shown, with sections at the tips of the goal posts highlighted and shown as a zoomed view in an insert box. The goal posts each have a webcam mounted on top of them.]
 
 
:So one summer afternoon
 
:So one summer afternoon
 
:I set up two HD webcams hundreds of feet apart,
 
:I set up two HD webcams hundreds of feet apart,
 
:Pointed them at the sky,
 
:Pointed them at the sky,
  
:[The next two lines of dialog are stretched over two panels each.]
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:[The next two frames with two lines of text each are stretched over the two middle panels in this second row of panels:]
:[The first panel shows a pair of glasses with the note "Very strong reading glasses." and a smartphone with an attachment designed to clip onto the glasses. The smartphone screen is setup to display two images side by side such that one camera is visible in the left half of the screen, and the other camera is visible in the right half of the screen.]
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:[The first panel shows a pair of glasses and a smartphone with an attachment designed to clip onto the glasses. The smartphone screen is setup to display two images side by side such that one camera is visible in the left half of the screen, and the other camera is visible in the right half of the screen. There are four arrows pointing to the two items and to each of the two parts of the screen. They all have labels.]
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:[The next panel shows the completed phone glasses assembly.]
 
:And fed one stream to each of my eyes.
 
:And fed one stream to each of my eyes.
 
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:Label top left: Right camera
:[The next panel shows the completed phone glasses assembly.]
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:Label top right: Smartphone
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:Label bottom left: Very strong reading glasses
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:Label bottom right: Left camera
 
:The parallax expanded my depth perception by a thousand times,
 
:The parallax expanded my depth perception by a thousand times,
  
:[The person stands wearing the phone glasses assembly, staring into the sky.]
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:[Cueball stands wearing the phone glasses assembly, one hand held up to the device, staring into the sky. There are two frames one above and one below with two lines of text each:]
 
:And I stood in my living room
 
:And I stood in my living room
 
:At the bottom of an abyss
 
:At the bottom of an abyss
  
:[The person now stands on the shore of an unidentified coastline (possibly Boston?), a city is near their right foot and the tallest skyscraper appears ankle high. A mountain range is behind them that is also barely ankle high. The person is standing with their head well above cloud level as clouds swim around them.]
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:[Another colored panel with blue sky and clouds below the top part of the panel from left to right. Cueball is now a giant who stands in the middle of the frame on the shore of a coastline with a small island off the coast, only a step away for him. A city is near his right foot and the tallest skyscraper appears ankle high. A mountain range is behind him with mountains that are also only barely ankle high. A river flows past the mountains and joins another coming from them on it's way down towards the coast. Cueball is standing with his head well above cloud level as clouds swim around him. At the top above and left of his head the last frame with one line of text is located:]
 
:Watching mountains drift by.
 
:Watching mountains drift by.
  
 
{{comic discussion}}
 
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[[Category:Comics featuring Cueball]]
 
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Revision as of 19:43, 4 March 2016

Depth Perception
I've looked at clouds from both sides now.
Title text: I've looked at clouds from both sides now.

Explanation

This comic is very self-explanatory as it explains what is being done every step of the way. This is one of those xkcds that is all about emotion and feeling for both Cueball and the reader.

Ancient stargazers thought the sky was simply a domed ceiling like the second frame on the top line.

In the first frame of the second line, Cueball puts HD webcams on the tops of football uprights, so "hundreds of feet" apart would be 120 yards (360 feet) apart exactly.

Cueball uses strong reading glasses and side-by-side webcam images to greatly expand his depth perception using the principle of parallax. Presumably the reversal of the "right camera" and "left camera" panes on the smartphone screen is just a mistake rather than an arcane technical requirement.

The title text is a line from "Both Sides Now" by Joni Mitchell.

It's worth noting that, although the trick may work with clouds, the stars will still look like they are simply painted onto a dome.

Transcript

[The entire comic is narrated by Cueball, and never spoken by the Cueball shown in the examples. All dialog is shown in rectangular frames overlaid on the comic panels.]
[In the first panel the background shows a cloudy sky in color, with the clouds all running together and appearing as a blue gray smear. Towards the bottom the horizon and the ground appear dark almost black at the very bottom. Two frames with two lines of text are at the top left and right, similar below except the one to the left has four lines and the one to the right only one line.]
I've always had trouble with the size of clouds.
I know they're huge. I can see their shapes.
But I don't really see them as objects on the same scale as trees and buildings.
They're a backdrop.
[The next panel is split in three parts. The top part is in a single frame. The middle part is frame-less and only has text - the only narrating not inside one of the frames. Then at the bottom there are two frames overlaid over three small panels in a row]
[In the top part of the 2ns panel stands Cueball on a flat disk inside a hemispherical dome with the front half cut away. The dome is about three times as tall as Cueball. Above the dome there is one frame with text. There is also two labeled arrows pointing to the dome and the disk.]
Stars are the same way.
Arrow up: Sky
Arrow down: Ground
[Text in between the top and the bottom panels:]
I know they're scattered through and endless ocean, but my gut insists they're a painting on a domed ceiling.
[The next two frames with text is overlaid above (three lines of text) and below (one line of text) the three panels described first. Those three panels are all inverted with black background and white Cueball:]
[Left panel: Cueball stands on a curved surface, looking up.]
[Middle panel: The perspective of the scene shifts, suddenly the surface Cueball is standing on is in the top left of the panel. Cueball is now looking down, leaning back, and waving his arms trying to regain balance.
[Right panel: The perspective of the scene returns to normal, Cueball is now semi-crouched, staring at the ground with legs spaced apart to help him balance.]
If I try hard enough, I get a glimmer of depth, a dizzying sense of space,
But then everything snaps back.
[An American football field is shown with Cueball drawn very small near the middle. Sections at the left tips of each of the goal posts are highlighted and shown as a zoomed view in an insert box. These insert shows the two webcams mounted on the top of the very tip, one for each goal posts. There are two frames with text above the field, the top one most to the left with one line, the second directly below it with two lines, and below the field there is also one frame with one line in it.]
So one summer afternoon
I set up two HD webcams hundreds of feet apart,
Pointed them at the sky,
[The next two frames with two lines of text each are stretched over the two middle panels in this second row of panels:]
[The first panel shows a pair of glasses and a smartphone with an attachment designed to clip onto the glasses. The smartphone screen is setup to display two images side by side such that one camera is visible in the left half of the screen, and the other camera is visible in the right half of the screen. There are four arrows pointing to the two items and to each of the two parts of the screen. They all have labels.]
[The next panel shows the completed phone glasses assembly.]
And fed one stream to each of my eyes.
Label top left: Right camera
Label top right: Smartphone
Label bottom left: Very strong reading glasses
Label bottom right: Left camera
The parallax expanded my depth perception by a thousand times,
[Cueball stands wearing the phone glasses assembly, one hand held up to the device, staring into the sky. There are two frames one above and one below with two lines of text each:]
And I stood in my living room
At the bottom of an abyss
[Another colored panel with blue sky and clouds below the top part of the panel from left to right. Cueball is now a giant who stands in the middle of the frame on the shore of a coastline with a small island off the coast, only a step away for him. A city is near his right foot and the tallest skyscraper appears ankle high. A mountain range is behind him with mountains that are also only barely ankle high. A river flows past the mountains and joins another coming from them on it's way down towards the coast. Cueball is standing with his head well above cloud level as clouds swim around him. At the top above and left of his head the last frame with one line of text is located:]
Watching mountains drift by.


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Discussion

Somebody needs to try this. Couldn't be that hard. 71.178.11.180 21:27, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Those must have been some tall goalposts if his point of view is above the clouds! -- mwburden 70.91.188.49 13:16, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Also, the cameras should be mounted on servos so that when the phone is moved or tilted the cameras can follow, so your viewpoint isn't fixed in one direction. -- mwburden 70.91.188.49 13:18, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

That wouldn't work. The entire football field would have to swivel, or else he'd get some wicked image shearing... 108.28.72.186 01:42, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
actually, it might be possible to correct for that, using bipolar geometry. Essentially, you can derive a 3d model from 2 images from different view points. Here is a (very geeky) demontration of what can be done. Watch the end, where they construct a fly-around video from two images of the opera house in sidney. -- 141.101.104.22 21:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Interesting link, thanks, but I don't think the video was generated from only 2 images, there isn't enough information. If you select "Download the Opera House sequence" you can download the original 43 photographs used. 141.101.99.9 14:05, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
You're right. But of course you wouldn't need a 90-degree flyby for this. 141.101.104.43 16:56, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

An updated solution would be to put the two stabilised cameras on quadracopters which are coded to remain a set distance apart. When you want to look left/right it would take a while for the pair of drones to rotate around their centre point but not too long..... Then you could also get a perspective from the height of a giant (up to 400ft https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=22615) and with their degree of parallax (from whatever value of height and eye spacing you choose). 108.162.250.225 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

This is a very cool project indeed! Some hardcore image stabilizing software would be required too, since you would get nauseous if the two images weren't perfectly aligned at all times. But this setup is the only one I could think of that would enable you to perceive the view from the last frame. Mumiemonstret (talk) 08:44, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
That idea would probably work but at one point, the quadcoptors would have issues flying any higher which would limit the view.

Look at this in stereo mode: http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar and cross your eyes so you see three images, then hold your hands up so you only see the one, then... I forget...

I used Google News BEFORE it was clickbait (talk) 12:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I used to do that all the time at one time ... until I got a l...ot of things different to do..

I used Google News BEFORE it was clickbait (talk) 12:44, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Stereo aerial pairs of clouds do exist see the Google search: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=stereoscopic+aerial+photos+clouds 141.101.98.206 07:33, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Or you could ride in an airplane. Or stand on a mountain. 173.245.50.174 19:58, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

That would defeat the point entirely. The distance between the two viewpoints is what provides the increased perspective, not the height of the observer. 141.101.80.84 21:55, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
using a plane isn't a substitute for this, but there's no reason adding the element of flight has to defeat it entirely: you could put one cam on each wing tip & get maybe the coolest effect of all..

Likely the reason the right image is shown on the left and vise versa is that there are two ways to fuse stereo images. Either Walleyed, right-to-rght, or Crosseyed, right-to-left. Doing it the wrong way may result in concave faces and other aberrations. 162.158.255.125 15:20, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Clouds are fractal, small ones up close look the same as big ones far away. So I don't think this would look as spectacular as imagined. 162.158.39.209 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

The thing is that our brains only associate the binocular/3D effect with items that are relatively close, and tend to judge sizes accordingly. If something appears 3D to us, we judge it to be a certain distance away (a key function of binocular vision) and from that we also get a rough estimate of its size. That's why if you see something like a star destroyer in 3D in the movie theater, it looks like something the size of a bus hanging up in the general vicinity of the screen. It doesn't look like something miles long, because big things look flat when they look that size. I believe this way of looking at clouds would give a similar effect. The clouds might look 3D, but they'd also just seem closer and smaller, rather than giving you a real sense of their size. 162.158.78.10 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

One way to impress with size is to make sure there's something on the "back wall" to contrast with the foreground. Here's a crosseye cloud picture I made from several pictures out an airplane window. The distance in time between these was one second, according to the EXIF data. Because the foreground cloud is so large, the faraway cloud at the center looks like Randall's "mountains" should. I should note this is a zoom/crop of a much larger pair of pictures. DuplexFields (talk) 01:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
I put the above photo on my phone and put it in my google cardboard and it worked super well. Totally amazing.