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Yes, I'm barmar on SE. I'm pretty sure I've seen you there, too. [[User:Barmar|Barmar]] ([[User talk:Barmar|talk]]) 23:29, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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== Archive 1 and Deleted Archive 1 ==
  
==ip comments==
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Just wondering out of curiosity, what's the purpose of keeping Archive 1? You say that the "This page has been deleted", with the revision history showing that you linked it as a redirect to the Deleted Archive 1 page. Given that both pages have the word "deleted" in their title/page, why don't you want [[:Category:Pages to delete]] on there? Do you intend on using the archive in the future? I'm quite confused at the moment, as it seems that you want to delete the archive and never intend to use an archive, yet you don't want me marking it for deletion. Any clarification would be great. And sorry for messing with your page without your permission (really ironic of me, huh?) Thanks, [[User:42.book.addict|<span style="font:11pt Cormorant Garamond"><span style="color:#5CA7CF">tor</span><span style="color:#F08DB0">i :3</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:42.book.addict|<span style="font:8pt Cormorant Garamond"><span style="color:#9E9E9E">talk </span><span style="color:#F08DB0">to </span><span style="color:#5CA7CF">me!</span>]]</span></sup> 01:38, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Hi. Speaking as a totally different IP to the one that you just had to deal with, there's really usually no point creating an IP's User Talk page to communicate with them (perhaps should mark that page to delete, again). We're pretty transient and don't have any reason to even bother to look at a "User Talk: <IP>" that we might have ever been connected with.
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:I am so mad about other people attempting to take control of my talk pages that I am willing to blindly revert those edits. I might bring them back after consideration, but I was deeply, deeply offended that you might on the one hand say "don't do things for other people" while at the same time "doing something for [an]other pe[rson]." I am not willing to let them stand while I do that deliberation. Also, I don't think that [[:Category:Pages to delete]] actually works…if it did, I might feel differently about it, but it currently has 309 pages in it and I don't think we have any active administrators willing to cover page deletion. I decline to add to their burden. If you had suggested I mark it for deletion, we might be in a different place. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 01:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
<br/>(I spotted your edit-comment admonishment, and then your creation of the Talk Page, only because I tend to review the Recent Changes log. I couldn't even know if the instigator of all this fuss is doing the same.)
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::Ah, I see. My apologies for my poor wording. I personally did not think much at the time of my marking for deletion as the pages literally said that they were to be deleted, but I can now see how this issue ticks you off so much. I know that I've done similar things in the past, but I've grown and I did not mean any ill will. Additionally, I was still thinking through my own lens/perspective when I did so. Personally, I find no issue with other people handling things on my talk page, such as replying for me on small issues, taking care of vandalism, etc. Therefore, I didn't think that you would be particularly bothered by my edit. In regards to [[:Category:Pages to delete]], I do understand that it is unmaintained. For the longest time, nobody has been truly dealing with it, since everyone is too busy. We have Kynde, Theusaf, and Jacky720 on the admin team, and that is it. I don't know about Theusaf and Jacky720, but I do know that Kynde has kids, a job, and is busy with other obligations in life. Despite this, he's still the most active admin on this project, something that I deeply admire. Due to this, I often feel bad about asking him to help deal with the backlog. The reason I still mark pages to deletion (as most of the 300 something pages were marked by [[User:42.book.addict/userbox|me]]) is so that one day, if it ever comes, a new admin team can help sort through it. I don't know if Jeff's ever coming back here. But I do know that I'd much rather be safe than sorry. If pages to really ought to be deleted aren't marked for deletion, we'll inevitably forget about them. If we already notice it now, and we have the ability to mark it at the moment, why not mark it so that others can maybe delete them in the future? Anyways, sorry for all the talking. I'll leave you be now. If you want to mark the 2 pages for deletion, I would be greatly pleased, but do as you will. [[User:42.book.addict|<span style="font:11pt Cormorant Garamond"><span style="color:#5CA7CF">tor</span><span style="color:#F08DB0">i :3</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:42.book.addict|<span style="font:8pt Cormorant Garamond"><span style="color:#9E9E9E">talk </span><span style="color:#F08DB0">to </span><span style="color:#5CA7CF">me!</span>]]</span></sup> 02:31, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
<br/>It's a bother, I know. The one big disadvantage (amongst honest-editors... dishonest ones are naturally a different issue!) of being able to have transient IPs like me. And the one you're actually agrieved with. Although, right now, I ironically have the same sort of problem with a ''named'' user (who I'd really like to prod with a Talk comment, but doesn't have a User or User Talk page ...and I can't personally create one; or force them to check it, even if I could), so it's... complicated.
 
<br/>Of course, I totally agree with your idea of the editing policy for pages such as this. So please do clear ''this'' message off, once read. I will probably read your edit-comment, if you have any (short) closing comments to say in return. ;) [[Special:Contributions/172.71.242.160|172.71.242.160]] 11:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
 
 
 
:I don't know why you think that there's no point. Some people have a stable IP, some people don't. Those that do will be shown the talk page automatically by MediaWiki. And others monitor [[Special:RecentChanges]], as this IP editor may have (and as you did). And furthermore, the talk page was linked from [[:User talk:Barmar]] in the thread the IP user was using. So for all those reasons, it sure seems to have a point to me. Thanks anyhow. [[User:JohnHawkinson|JohnHawkinson]] ([[User talk:JohnHawkinson|talk]]) 02:00, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 02:31, 13 February 2026

Archive 1 and Deleted Archive 1[edit]

Just wondering out of curiosity, what's the purpose of keeping Archive 1? You say that the "This page has been deleted", with the revision history showing that you linked it as a redirect to the Deleted Archive 1 page. Given that both pages have the word "deleted" in their title/page, why don't you want Category:Pages to delete on there? Do you intend on using the archive in the future? I'm quite confused at the moment, as it seems that you want to delete the archive and never intend to use an archive, yet you don't want me marking it for deletion. Any clarification would be great. And sorry for messing with your page without your permission (really ironic of me, huh?) Thanks, tori :3talk to me! 01:38, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

I am so mad about other people attempting to take control of my talk pages that I am willing to blindly revert those edits. I might bring them back after consideration, but I was deeply, deeply offended that you might on the one hand say "don't do things for other people" while at the same time "doing something for [an]other pe[rson]." I am not willing to let them stand while I do that deliberation. Also, I don't think that Category:Pages to delete actually works…if it did, I might feel differently about it, but it currently has 309 pages in it and I don't think we have any active administrators willing to cover page deletion. I decline to add to their burden. If you had suggested I mark it for deletion, we might be in a different place. JohnHawkinson (talk) 01:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)
Ah, I see. My apologies for my poor wording. I personally did not think much at the time of my marking for deletion as the pages literally said that they were to be deleted, but I can now see how this issue ticks you off so much. I know that I've done similar things in the past, but I've grown and I did not mean any ill will. Additionally, I was still thinking through my own lens/perspective when I did so. Personally, I find no issue with other people handling things on my talk page, such as replying for me on small issues, taking care of vandalism, etc. Therefore, I didn't think that you would be particularly bothered by my edit. In regards to Category:Pages to delete, I do understand that it is unmaintained. For the longest time, nobody has been truly dealing with it, since everyone is too busy. We have Kynde, Theusaf, and Jacky720 on the admin team, and that is it. I don't know about Theusaf and Jacky720, but I do know that Kynde has kids, a job, and is busy with other obligations in life. Despite this, he's still the most active admin on this project, something that I deeply admire. Due to this, I often feel bad about asking him to help deal with the backlog. The reason I still mark pages to deletion (as most of the 300 something pages were marked by me) is so that one day, if it ever comes, a new admin team can help sort through it. I don't know if Jeff's ever coming back here. But I do know that I'd much rather be safe than sorry. If pages to really ought to be deleted aren't marked for deletion, we'll inevitably forget about them. If we already notice it now, and we have the ability to mark it at the moment, why not mark it so that others can maybe delete them in the future? Anyways, sorry for all the talking. I'll leave you be now. If you want to mark the 2 pages for deletion, I would be greatly pleased, but do as you will. tori :3talk to me! 02:31, 13 February 2026 (UTC)