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Is it possible everyone overthought this? It seems to me that it's partly a play on words. Why would people be interested in a "public" key which simply as a matter of the name seems like something that wouldn't be hidden in the first place? It would seem that people would be more interested in a "private" key, since it seems to be something you wouldn't be able to get. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.149|173.245.50.149]] 18:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC) | Is it possible everyone overthought this? It seems to me that it's partly a play on words. Why would people be interested in a "public" key which simply as a matter of the name seems like something that wouldn't be hidden in the first place? It would seem that people would be more interested in a "private" key, since it seems to be something you wouldn't be able to get. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.50.149|173.245.50.149]] 18:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC) | ||

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+ | :You're right in a general sense, but this wasn'the overthought. This is definitely about public/private key cryptography, and Randall has made comics about this before. His public key isn't interesting because no one wants to send secret messages to him; his private key would be very interesting because giving it out is a bad idea. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.54.37|173.245.54.37]] 01:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC) |

## Latest revision as of 01:12, 11 February 2016

I'm assuming he's referring to the GPG/PGP Key. Basically you have a key pair, one private that you use to sign/encrypt and one public, which can be used to verify your private key was used to sign. See Wikipedia for more information. If you posted your private key, anyone could sign as if they were you. I sign pretty much everything (not to mailing lists though), but don't think I've seen anyone else ever do so, even those I know have keys. See 1181: PGP for more. 198.41.235.35 04:59, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

- Don't believe everything certification authorities are telling you. X.509 SSL certificates works exactly same. Certificate is just a public key signed by certification authority. And yes, you can sign email with X.509 certificate. -- Hkmaly (talk) 09:54, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

This comic should be added to Category:Cryptography, but I'm not sure how to do that or whether I can do that. Nick818 (talk) 07:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

- Nick818—Someone did this today, but for your future reference, you just need to add
`[[Category:Cryptography]]`to the page that needs to be categorized. It's helpful and customary to add the code to the bottom of the page. Cheers, jameslucas (" " / +) 10:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

This explanation completely misses the point that the PGP workflow is fundamentally flawed which has been stated by more than one expert, e.g. famously last year by Matthew Green, leading to demands to "let it die" and be replaced by something workable. --108.162.254.190 11:21, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

- The problem is, that there isn’t anything more “workable” at the moment. BTW: 7CD1E35FD2A3A158. --DaB. (talk) 11:27, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
- Well, I don't want to solve the problem of front-end cryptography here, and this site won't either. But the comic appeared in a climate of a quite general consensus and acceptance of the failure of PGP/GPG, and not technically but because of social and usability reasons. This explanation letting out that is quite comically in itself. --108.162.254.190 13:12, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Remember Responsible Behavior? https://xkcd.com/364/ Xquestion (talk) 13:03, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

But did the author post his public key anywhere ? :v 141.101.104.166 17:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Worth noting that posting his private key actually would be crowdsourcing his signing decisions, since anyone could do it. 108.162.221.102 04:57, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FWIW, I use PGP. :) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlWuhWoACgkQHkr3KdXO/9A/ZACeM5Oho5XEDZnjo2q4yZBTqABo ET0Ani928heXg9aHmju0e0aK8JV7pvxH =CsEo -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

*— tbc (talk) 18:17, 21 July 2015 (UTC)*

"the keys themselves do not hold "private" or "public" roles until one is released and becomes the public key" --- that might be true of *some* crypto-systems, but it is definite **not' true of anything based on RSA, such as PGP/GPG. The prime factors (or exponents derived from them) are definitely the "private" part, and the composite product is definitely the "public" part. You **

*cannot*simply choose which part of the pair to make public. 108.162.238.181 19:54, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

"The prime factors (or exponents derived from them) are definitely the "private" part, and the composite product is definitely the "public" part". This is completely incorrect. In PGP (or rather, RSA keys used by PGP), both the public and private keys consist of just the modulus **n** (composite product) and one of the exponents **d** or **e**. However, the "public" exponent is typically chosen to be small and with few bits set, so that encryption/decryption using the public key is fast. The private key has to be big in order to keep the search space wide. So by switching around the public and private keys you end up with a public exponent that is a 600 digit number and a private exponent that is probably the number 65537. 198.41.243.252 09:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

- The public and private exponents are related by the p and q values. You chose one and then calculate the other. Normally you chose the public exponent and generate the private one. It's also common practice to store p and q with the private key for efficency reasons (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSA_%28cryptosystem%29#Using_the_Chinese_remainder_algorithm ). So 108.162.238.181's comment wasn't too far off the mark, the public key in a typical RSA system consists of the modulus and a well-known exponent, the private key in a typical RSA system consists of p,q and various values derived from them. You could build a RSA system with symmetry in the key pair so you can chose either key as the public one but noone does because it would be substantially more computationally intensive and would give little benefit. Plugwash (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible everyone overthought this? It seems to me that it's partly a play on words. Why would people be interested in a "public" key which simply as a matter of the name seems like something that wouldn't be hidden in the first place? It would seem that people would be more interested in a "private" key, since it seems to be something you wouldn't be able to get. 173.245.50.149 18:53, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

- You're right in a general sense, but this wasn'the overthought. This is definitely about public/private key cryptography, and Randall has made comics about this before. His public key isn't interesting because no one wants to send secret messages to him; his private key would be very interesting because giving it out is a bad idea. 173.245.54.37 01:12, 11 February 2016 (UTC)