Talk:545: Neutrality Schmeutrality
What if instead of word count, it was determined by letter count. so insert a word with multiple spellings like “colour/color” and people will repeatedly edit and re-edit the word over and over until the servers crashed ? --ParadoX (talk) 09:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)ParadoX
- If Wikipedia’s aim is to take a neutral stance, and Wikipedia is being exploited to determine which of two opposing sides receives a donation, Wikipedia’s correct action would be to prevent the article from being written, thus enforcing Wikipedia’s stance on neutrality. Thokling (talk) 20:17, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
- If there is no article, the word count is 0, which is an even number, so it goes to pro-choice activists. :) 126.96.36.199 13:03, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Lock the article mid-edit leaving a single word unfinished. That becomes a fraction of a word which is neit- 188.8.131.52 16:02, 2 December 2013 (UTC)BK
- Good co-operation.
- An old (read “pre-internet”) meme, probably Yiddish, is to say a word, then replace the initial consonant cluster of the word with “schm” (read “shm”) and say the altered word. This denotes an active apathy toward the subject, that is, the speaker is deliberately disregarding the authority (for that is usually what is “regarded”) and doing their own thing, as Black Hat is doing here, disregarding the authority of Wikipedia’s stance on neutrality. If you were skipping school, and wanted to justify, you would say “School, Schmool”. If you were disobeying you’re Aunt Josephine, you would justify, to a confidant, “Aunt Josephine, Schmaunt Josephine”. Other examples include “God, Schmod”, “Copyrights, Schmopyrights” and “Feds, Schmeds”.
- While I was familiar with this before him, Lemony Snicket’s third book of a Series of Unfortunate Events, The Wide Window’', explains it better than I do.
- Anonymous 04:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Easily fixed. Lock the article just before the deadline, flip a coin in a meeting of lots of Wikipedians, broadcast live. 184.108.40.206 14:36, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Also, what about hyphenated compound words where it can be debated whether or not they’re a single word? Just some random derp 23:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC) Oh, co-operation vs Cupertino, erm, c.o.o.p.e.r.a.t.i.o.n, stupid spell-check! 220.127.116.11 08:51, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
Maybe Black Hat is avoiding donating the money because he knows there will be a constant edit war. I am not quite sure enough to put it in the explanation. Jacky720 (talk) 10:39, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
What if another speaker at the event (or afterwards) were to donate $1,000,000 at the same time as Black Hat, but the other way round based on the word count? 18.104.22.168 12:04, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
Even if the article wasn’t created or was deleted, it would remain true that Wikipedia couldn’t cover it neutrally, because it wouldn’t be covered. 22.214.171.124 19:22, 8 August 2017 (UTC)
There is a way to circumvent notability: If the article’s wordcount is neither odd nor even (i.e. zero, i.e. the article does not exist) then the money will be given to a terrorist group or neo-nazis or some other concievably evil group. 126.96.36.199 09:22, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
0 is even 188.8.131.52 19:53, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
This is actually unclear, since word counts may count or not the title of the article, subsection titles, infoboxes. I’d go with paragraph count. 184.108.40.206 20:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC) In theory you should use the prose count since that is the "Wikipedia Standard"
I think Wikipedia could just create two articles for the event, one for each side. That’d be neutral. 220.127.116.11 20:51, 6 September 2018 (UTC)
Technically that would be content forking, which is banned. See WP:POVSPLIT. 18.104.22.168 02:52, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
There are actually topics already in existence for which Wikipedia cannot cover neutrally. There is a city in Northern Ireland that is called Derry if you're a nationalist and Londonderry if you're a unionist. So just calling it Derry (or Londonderry) is not neutral. As a compromise, Wikipedia calls the city Derry and the county County Londonderry. CheesePoliceLAG9763 (talk) 00:35, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
I am aghast at the fact that the anti-abortion group call themselves "pro-life" when they so clearly are pro-death! Restricting legal access to abortion kills women. This is a cold, hard fact. There is no disputing the fact that taking away women's access to reproductive health services is a death sentence. These hypocrites have a blooming great cheek calling themselves "pro-life" when in reality it is the complete opposite! -- The Cat Lady (talk) 14:26, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- This isn't the place to argue about that. I'll just tell you (in case you didn't know) that generally speaking, people who call themselves pro-life take the idea that fetuses count as lives as an axiom of their worldview. So from their point of view they are illegalizing a certain type of death, and that's why they call themselves pro-life 22.214.171.124 03:00, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Word count in the comic
The title text & black hat's speech word counts are both even, which could reflect Randall's opinion on the topic (pro-choice), considering self-reference is a common theme. Of course, this could be just a coincidence. --Iyhuvgug61 (talk) 08:25, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
Black Hat said word count so if wikipedia just writes their article and then half of a word that would make the word count a decimal, which is neither even or odd. checkmate 126.96.36.199 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
- How do you define half a word? If it's something that's just not a full word (which of course would be edited into full existence, or out of it, when people spot it) then it would either count as a whitespace-delimited bunch of characters (another word, albeit nonsense) or not anything countable as a word (because it is sufficiently nonsense), depending upon the algorithm. No realistic algorithm would return a float value instead of some interpretation of an int one.
- Though I suspect you're trolling (disregard of commentary conventions, an IP linked to a known pest, etc), and know this. 188.8.131.52 18:34, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
IIRC, this is exactly what Wikipedia distances from with its WP:NOTNEWS guidelines. 184.108.40.206 08:46, 8 December 2022 (UTC)