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| + | Is any of this specific to Disneyland or could it be Disney World, which would be more fitting for the title? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.43.93|172.70.43.93]] 18:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Yes, Ariel is from The Little Mermaid, which is a Disney film, Ratatouille is another Disney film, and Elsa is from Frozen and Frozen II, both of which are Disney films. I believe that RNAWorld is a play on Disneyworld. [[User:42.book.addict|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict|talk]]) 19:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::I'm sure .43.93, above, understands that they are definitely Disney characters that are equally relevent to either Disney World or Disneyland (or Eurodisney, or...). It's the "World" bit that was important (and now is correctly referenced, so far as I can see). [[Special:Contributions/172.69.194.10|172.69.194.10]] 19:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::Pfft. "Euro Disney" is 'so' 1994. It reminds me of the arguments I had with people ~20 years ago who honestly thought the currency in much of Europe was officialy the "Eurodollar". Sure, Joachimsthal is in Europe... [[Special:Contributions/172.71.103.172|172.71.103.172]] 21:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::Depends what they meant by {{w|Eurodollar|'officially'}}, and when. [[Special:Contributions/172.68.186.107|172.68.186.107]] 22:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
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| + | the rat's name is Remy [[User:CalibansCreations|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">Caliban</span>''']] ([[User talk:CalibansCreations|talk]]) 20:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
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| + | What should we call the girl with the Mickey/Minnie ears? Or is a physical description good enough? [[User:42.book.addict|42.book.addict]] ([[User talk:42.book.addict|talk]]) 01:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Is he not a boy? [[Special:Contributions/172.70.90.206|172.70.90.206]] 02:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::can't tell tbh [[User:CalibansCreations|'''<span style="color:#ff0000;">Caliban</span>''']] ([[User talk:CalibansCreations|talk]]) 06:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::'He' has short hair and no ponytail, so probability 79% a XY mutant (all men are{{Dubious}} ;-) )' so for symmetry, how about Jack? [[User:RIIW - Ponder it|RIIW - Ponder it]] ([[User talk:RIIW - Ponder it|talk]]) 07:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::: https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1662:_Jack_and_Jill --[[Special:Contributions/162.158.134.252|162.158.134.252]] 09:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
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| + | There is no real evidence for abiogenesis. There have been many "theories" through the centuries which are now viewed as pseudo-science. A theory is simply an unproven belief. The number of people who belieeve this unproven belief does not have an affect on whether it is real or wrong. --[[User:Inquirer|Inquirer]] ([[User talk:Inquirer|talk]]) 20:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Once there was not life, now there is. You can argue exactly what form the abiogenesis took, but not that there was something (insert your favourite hypothesis or legend here, to taste) that happened to (at least once, but no less than once) change the state of affairs. [[Special:Contributions/172.70.162.142|172.70.162.142]] 20:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::You and I agree that life had an origin. But, science is unable to demonstrate, at present, how life came about. Some have speculated that "life" on earth is a result of "seeding". | ||
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| + | ::Your comment is like arguing that correlation is proof of causation. There have been many innocent people convicted of crimes because of this kind of thinking. In the UK, parliament created a Corpus Delecti law because a man had been executed for a murder and the supposed victim later came home from an overseas trip. | ||
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| + | ::The point I was making is that the fact that life exists is not proof of how it originated.--[[User:Inquirer|Inquirer]] ([[User talk:Inquirer|talk]]) 21:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::It is, however, proof that it originated SOMEHOW. Unless you propose that life got on Earth from future. -- [[User:Hkmaly|Hkmaly]] ([[User talk:Hkmaly|talk]]) 00:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::Well, Inquirer ''might'' also be imagining that life existed infinitely far back in the past, thus never having a starting point but just a different ontogical problem to solve. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt about that (whatever their ideas) and pointedly did not narrow down abiogenesis ("insert your favourite hypothesis or legend here, to taste"), allowing for it to be Q stirring the promordial soup for Picard, the biblical Genesis (3rd day+ in the first story, or at a different point in the second one), whatever provided the original material for the panspermia theory, the RNA-world idea, or any other transitional moment that might be imagined or unimaginable. | ||
| + | :::If you're welded to "abiogenesis = RNAWorld" and then philosophically dismiss RNAWorld (or anything like that), then you will (erroneously) dismiss the concept of abiogenesis. But you've then really got to deal with it on a "turtles all the way down" basis (or a whole ecosystem-wide "All You Zombies" sort of thing, of course). | ||
| + | :::Which is all good philosophical practice, I suppose, but hard to justify from what actual facts we currently have at hand. [[Special:Contributions/141.101.99.103|141.101.99.103]] 09:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC) | ||
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Is any of this specific to Disneyland or could it be Disney World, which would be more fitting for the title? 172.70.43.93 18:43, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, Ariel is from The Little Mermaid, which is a Disney film, Ratatouille is another Disney film, and Elsa is from Frozen and Frozen II, both of which are Disney films. I believe that RNAWorld is a play on Disneyworld. 42.book.addict (talk) 19:04, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure .43.93, above, understands that they are definitely Disney characters that are equally relevent to either Disney World or Disneyland (or Eurodisney, or...). It's the "World" bit that was important (and now is correctly referenced, so far as I can see). 172.69.194.10 19:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pfft. "Euro Disney" is 'so' 1994. It reminds me of the arguments I had with people ~20 years ago who honestly thought the currency in much of Europe was officialy the "Eurodollar". Sure, Joachimsthal is in Europe... 172.71.103.172 21:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Depends what they meant by 'officially', and when. 172.68.186.107 22:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pfft. "Euro Disney" is 'so' 1994. It reminds me of the arguments I had with people ~20 years ago who honestly thought the currency in much of Europe was officialy the "Eurodollar". Sure, Joachimsthal is in Europe... 172.71.103.172 21:11, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sure .43.93, above, understands that they are definitely Disney characters that are equally relevent to either Disney World or Disneyland (or Eurodisney, or...). It's the "World" bit that was important (and now is correctly referenced, so far as I can see). 172.69.194.10 19:48, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
the rat's name is Remy Caliban (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
What should we call the girl with the Mickey/Minnie ears? Or is a physical description good enough? 42.book.addict (talk) 01:08, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Is he not a boy? 172.70.90.206 02:59, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- can't tell tbh Caliban (talk) 06:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- 'He' has short hair and no ponytail, so probability 79% a XY mutant (all men are[dubious] ;-) )' so for symmetry, how about Jack? RIIW - Ponder it (talk) 07:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1662:_Jack_and_Jill --162.158.134.252 09:07, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- 'He' has short hair and no ponytail, so probability 79% a XY mutant (all men are[dubious] ;-) )' so for symmetry, how about Jack? RIIW - Ponder it (talk) 07:16, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- can't tell tbh Caliban (talk) 06:31, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
There is no real evidence for abiogenesis. There have been many "theories" through the centuries which are now viewed as pseudo-science. A theory is simply an unproven belief. The number of people who belieeve this unproven belief does not have an affect on whether it is real or wrong. --Inquirer (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- Once there was not life, now there is. You can argue exactly what form the abiogenesis took, but not that there was something (insert your favourite hypothesis or legend here, to taste) that happened to (at least once, but no less than once) change the state of affairs. 172.70.162.142 20:22, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- You and I agree that life had an origin. But, science is unable to demonstrate, at present, how life came about. Some have speculated that "life" on earth is a result of "seeding".
- Your comment is like arguing that correlation is proof of causation. There have been many innocent people convicted of crimes because of this kind of thinking. In the UK, parliament created a Corpus Delecti law because a man had been executed for a murder and the supposed victim later came home from an overseas trip.
- The point I was making is that the fact that life exists is not proof of how it originated.--Inquirer (talk) 21:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- It is, however, proof that it originated SOMEHOW. Unless you propose that life got on Earth from future. -- Hkmaly (talk) 00:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, Inquirer might also be imagining that life existed infinitely far back in the past, thus never having a starting point but just a different ontogical problem to solve. But I gave them the benefit of the doubt about that (whatever their ideas) and pointedly did not narrow down abiogenesis ("insert your favourite hypothesis or legend here, to taste"), allowing for it to be Q stirring the promordial soup for Picard, the biblical Genesis (3rd day+ in the first story, or at a different point in the second one), whatever provided the original material for the panspermia theory, the RNA-world idea, or any other transitional moment that might be imagined or unimaginable.
- If you're welded to "abiogenesis = RNAWorld" and then philosophically dismiss RNAWorld (or anything like that), then you will (erroneously) dismiss the concept of abiogenesis. But you've then really got to deal with it on a "turtles all the way down" basis (or a whole ecosystem-wide "All You Zombies" sort of thing, of course).
- Which is all good philosophical practice, I suppose, but hard to justify from what actual facts we currently have at hand. 141.101.99.103 09:26, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The point I was making is that the fact that life exists is not proof of how it originated.--Inquirer (talk) 21:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
