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Megan is talking to Cueball about alternate histories, which are when someone tries to imagine what might have happened had a historic event gone differently. Examples would be; What if the Americans had lost the American Revolution? What if Napoleon had won Waterloo? and the one featured in this comic, What if the Allies had lost World War 1.
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Megan is talking to Cueball about alternate histories, which are when someone tries to imagine what might have happened had a historic event gone differently. Examples would be; What if the Americans had lost the American Revolution? What if Napoleon had won Waterloo? and the one featured in this comic, What if the Allies had lost World War 2.
  
 
Notably in the Hearts of Iron IV mods series beginning with "Kaiserreich", this is exactly what happens with World War One, with each mod going a level deeper.
 
Notably in the Hearts of Iron IV mods series beginning with "Kaiserreich", this is exactly what happens with World War One, with each mod going a level deeper.

Revision as of 17:00, 13 May 2019

Alternate Histories
"So their universe wouldn't have the iconic photo of a screaming Truman being hoisted aloft by the newspaper-printing machinery..."
Title text: "So their universe wouldn't have the iconic photo of a screaming Truman being hoisted aloft by the newspaper-printing machinery..."

Explanation

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Megan is talking to Cueball about alternate histories, which are when someone tries to imagine what might have happened had a historic event gone differently. Examples would be; What if the Americans had lost the American Revolution? What if Napoleon had won Waterloo? and the one featured in this comic, What if the Allies had lost World War 2.

Notably in the Hearts of Iron IV mods series beginning with "Kaiserreich", this is exactly what happens with World War One, with each mod going a level deeper.

Transcript

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[Megan and Cueball are walking together]
Megan: In alternate history stories where the allies lost WWII, sometimes they have their own fiction with the premise "what if the allies had won?" which differs from our world since they'd be speculating and wouldn't predict everything.
Cueball: Yeah, I think they do that in Man in the High Castle.
[Megan and Cueball continue walking together]
Megan: But within those stories, they should have "what if the allies had lost?" fiction which is even more removed from our world.
Cueball: Uh oh.
Megan: So how deep does it go?
[Caption:] 500 levels in:
[Cueball and Megan, presumably from some alternate history, are walking together]
Megan: In my alternate history, Scotland never develops hovercraft, so Canada's cybernetic horses defeat the Belgium-Madagascar-New Jersey alliance.
Cueball: Wow!
[Alternate history Cueball and Megan continue are walking together]
Cueball: Then who becomes God-Emperor of Missouri, if not Laura Ingalls Wilder?
Megan: Senator Truman!
Cueball: He survives the accident?!
Megan: Yeah, the pajama craze never catches on, so he's wearing normal clothes when he walks by the printing press...


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Discussion

Hands

The hands on the 500 deep versions are quite different. Does anyone have an idea of what that might refer to? -- The quiet one (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

I thought they were big bangly bracelets. Yomikoma (talk) 19:54, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
I think they are puffy shirt sleeve cuffs: [1] ProphetZarquon (talk) 22:31, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
Let's compromise and say "big circle shapes on their arm connectors." 172.68.54.118 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)
The hands changed because history changed. DUH! 162.158.214.100 12:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

In *my* alternate history, Al Gore loses the presidency, but it is to Bill Nye. As a result, Bill Nye causes sweeping educational reform. However, this causes the U.S. to buckle in comparison to the world economy, as the lowered military power (about a 3% decrease by the end of his presidency in comparison to the "true" timeline) means that Indonesia is able to push their limits a little, leading to Kuwait, West Timor and Luxembourg doing the same. Also, because of the lack of a Haliburton loophole, the Everglades are larger than today. Unfortunately, when David Tenant tried out for the role of the Doctor, this results in a live alligator attacking him. This throws the show biz industry into a tailspin, and so... - SD 162.158.78.196 19:54, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Unfortunately? ... I think we disagree on our choice of practitioner. ] ; > ProphetZarquon (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Something of the meme must have leaked through the æther, one way or another. Just yesterday I was involved in intensive discussions about how world history would have turned out with a different power-structure had the Darien Scheme not gone totally wrong, Scotland had cornered the Pacific/Atlantic trading markets, had been in a position to accept England, et al, into its parliamentary structure in a differing version of the Union, and created a particularly caledonially-influenced New World and Scottish Empire (provisionally titled the 'gaelosphere') from where the future (or at least contermperaneously alternate) history of the world developed out of. There was no mention of hovercraft, admitedly, but I now imagine they'd have been terribly useful upon certain parts of the isthmus, or particularly in dealing with the treacherous tides running through Caledonia Bay by Fort St Andrew. So, GOOMHR! If it's not we who should get out of his, of course 162.158.158.119 22:44, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Hat

Is there a name for the hats Cueball and Megan are wearing, or is it just a top hat that Randall added a ball to to make it look different? Herobrine (talk) 22:35, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

I imagine the Nth-Alternate Universe version of the page https://theoutline.com/post/868/why-do-we-all-have-pom-pom-balls-on-our-hats might mention them. 162.158.155.86 22:51, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
There has never been a hat that wasn't ridiculous.172.68.65.210 23:38, 13 May 2019 (UTC)
EVERYONE looks better wearing a hat. DUH! 162.158.214.100 12:41, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Created by [thing]

Is there a category or history filter or something to specifically list all of the "created by a [thing]" tags that have appeared over time? CYBERNETIC HORSE EMPEROR is the best phrase I have heard all day. It is going straight into my Robotech\Rifts RPG campaign. ProphetZarquon (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much, and not that I know of, sadly. 141.101.105.102 11:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Plausibility of scenario

I have a few issues with the current explanation saying it is impossible for such a scenario to arise, though I'm not sure how exactly to restructure it. First, past events can be altered as an explanation for alterations to the timeline, demonstrated clearly in-comic ("the pajama craze never caught on" explains the future of "truman becomes god-emperor"). So, things could be changed before the world war, and thus anything is theoretically possible. Second, it's clear the humor and understanding of the comic doesn't require a judgement of how likely the scenario is. So that section of the explanation is at best unnecessary and at worst wrong, I think. 172.68.189.31 09:13, 14 May 2019 (UTC)


Let's assume that any given alternate history has a 1% chance of being detailed enough to consider the alternate history's alt-history, and (for simplicity's sake) that no alternate histories develop in such a way as to eliminate interest in alternate histories. Given these assumptions, reaching the 500th level would require...um, my calculator isn't giving me an answer, let's just say a LOT of top-level alternate histories where the Nazis won WW2 to get anything that reached that deep. Even if each alt-history had coinflip odds of reaching the next level, you'd still need something like 3.3e150 alternate histories to get that deep; even 90% odds need 7.5e22 alt-histories. This sort of infinite regression is only practical if some aspect of an alternate history makes it and its descendants more likely to generate further alt-histories. At this point, evolution would kick in and before you got more than a dozen levels deep nearly all alt-histories would be from well-adapted alt-histories. It seems likely to me that alt-histories with lots of little details and weird contrivances would be more likely to spawn alt-histories, so this comic seems pretty accurate in that regard. GreatWyrmGold (talk) 16:56, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Does anyone think some of this might be a shot at the Kaiserreich/story inside kaiserreich/so on thing? 172.69.68.129 (talk) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

This is actually a thing with the Hearts of Iron IV mod, Kaiserreich. It's an alt-history mod where Germany won WWI, and within it there's an event describing a variant where Germany lost WWI, but instead of the Nazis the nat-pop party which takes over are known as Volkists. This was then made into a mod, which has within it an event describing a scenario where Germany lost WWI... 172.69.33.221 21:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

True, though you only need 100 alternate histories in each history. Until you hit the alternate history where the war with Italy causes us to stop using the roman alphabet, you're likely to get at least that many in each setting. 162.158.62.195 22:38, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm surprised that a 500th iteration alternate history would have ANY names, events or institutions familiar to us. These Are Not The Comments You Are Looking For (talk) 00:38, 20 May 2019 (UTC)