Talk:3024: METAR

OMG RANDALL ADDED AN AO3 REFERENCE 42.book.addict^{Talk to me!} 19:43, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

must've been reading the fic of bill Caliban (talk) 21:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

I love the things I learn from these thingsRustykid52 (talk) 19:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Was the explanation of wind speed written by a European? The punctuation after "18" is a comma, not a period, so they it means over 18 thousand knots. Barmar (talk) 19:59, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it was. I'm sorry. Janfred (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

If windspeed interpreted at "european style", i.e. 18 and 35/1000 knots, it s still funny, beacouse such precision of wind speed measurement is 1] unreachable (variability at space & time is several horders higher), 2] useless (fraction of knot make no difference for pilots). 172.68.213.78 (talk) 21:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC) (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

"38.08 inches of mercury" seems a very high pressure, even for a station that is well below sea level. (1290 hPa Pressure around the dead sea is typically 1060hPa).. Is that physically realistic, or is it part of the joke? I know funnel clouds, freezing and volcanic ash in the same location are unlikely outside of the apocalypse, but can be justified by the rule of funny. 172.70.160.135 20:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, 31.80 is the reference high limit. Still, is Randall a pilot? The structure of a METAR is horribly familiar to us pilots but pretty much a blank stare to anyone else. 172.68.245.25 21:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Feeding it into a calculator gives an altitude of -2080m (-6825'). So it's entirely reasonable as long as your weather station is in a deep mine. BunsenH (talk) 21:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

But isn't the value always put in reference to MSL? I.e. I'm at an airport at 1000ft, the pressure reads 977 hPa, but I'll put 1013 hPa in the METAR. (QNH in METAR vs QFE at the station) Janfred (talk) 21:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

There may be various complicated pressure differences from the tornado having dumped a load of possibly Iclandic pyroclastic tephra upon the station. 141.101.98.181 21:36, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

"outside of the apocalypse" - we are talking about NYC :P 172.69.64.171 00:04, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

With a Bostonian leading the discussion 👹 162.158.42.157 16:51, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

The difference between the altimeter setting and the SLP is also pretty concerning. My understanding (which is based only on a few minutes of googling, not any actual experience) is that one does not correct for temperature while the other does, based on a 12 hour average. So maybe the high value is due to crazy temperatures? Haven't done any calculations, but it would fit the apocalyptic scenario. 172.70.247.9 08:40, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

That sounds about right for the weather station located at the ZIP code -10021... 172.70.91.11 09:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Your understanding is correct. Both QNH (altimeter setting) and SLP are "pressure reduced to sea level." But QNH assumes standard atmosphere while SLP attempts to use actual weather conditions. It might be just a temperature correction or it might be more. 162.158.167.192 (talk) 17:53, 16 December 2024 (please sign your comments with ~~~~)

Damn, Randall says you got No Bitches.Xurkitree10 (talk) 06:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright, who here on this wiki lacks significant others? (I personally have zero (0) maidens) Caliban (talk) 19:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

By "observer", the report means the person who's observed the weather and/or data and created the report, not the person who's observing the report or the comic page. BunsenH (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

That's what Randall wants us to think so we don't realise he roasted us. Caliban (talk) 09:19, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

llama-3.1-405b-instruct (poor context, likely contains mistakes):

New York, Central Park: 25th of the month, 16:00 UTC (11:00 am local time): Wind from the south at 35 knots (about 40 mph), with gusts up to 45 knots (about 52 mph): 6 statute miles visibility: In the vicinity, a funnel cloud and freezing volcanic ash: Heavy blue precipitation: No significant change in weather expected: Lightning overhead: Altimeter at 38.08 inches of mercury (about 1022.8 hPa): Precipitation discriminator present: Sea-level pressure at 1013.0 hPa (30.00 inHg, but note that this value is not explicitly stated in the METAR report, and the 'SPL130' code is not a standard way to report sea-level pressure).

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I should have mentioned that the codes "+BLUP" are not standard METAR codes.

METAR is specified by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) in the document "Annex 3 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation: Meteorological Service for International Air Navigation". This document defines the standard format and codes used in METAR reports.

In the United States, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) also publishes guidelines for METAR reporting in the document "Aviation Weather Services Advisory Circular" (AC 00-45).

The World Meteorological Organization (WMO) also publishes guidelines for METAR reporting in the document "Manual on Codes" (WMO-No. 306).

These documents define the standard codes and formats used in METAR reports, but they do not include codes like "+BLUP", which are likely used in a humorous or fictional context.

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With this transcription, I can see that the main difference is in the "SPL" code, which is now transcribed as "SLP". This makes more sense, as "SLP" is a standard METAR code for "sea-level pressure".

Here's the updated translation:

"New York, Central Park: 25th of the month, 16:00 UTC (11:00 am local time): Wind from the south at 35 knots (about 40 mph), with gusts up to 45 knots (about 52 mph): 6 statute miles visibility: In the vicinity, a funnel cloud and freezing volcanic ash: Heavy blowing unknown precipitation: No significant change in weather expected: Lightning overhead: Altimeter at 38.08 inches of mercury (about 1022.8 hPa): Precipitation discriminator present: Sea-level pressure at 1013.0 hPa (30.00 inHg)."

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For example, let's imagine a scenario where a massive volcanic eruption has occurred in the vicinity of New York City, causing a massive ash cloud to blanket the area. The eruption is so powerful that it's creating a rare phenomenon known as "volcanic lightning," which is causing the lightning overhead.

Meanwhile, the ash cloud is interacting with a severe thunderstorm system, causing the formation of a funnel cloud in the vicinity of Central Park. The winds are so strong that they're blowing the ash and precipitation around, creating a situation where the precipitation discriminator is unable to accurately determine the type of precipitation.

In this scenario, the freezing volcanic ash could be a result of the ash cloud interacting with the cold air aloft, causing the ash particles to freeze into small ice crystals.

The heavy blowing unknown precipitation could be a result of the intense winds blowing the ash and precipitation around, making it difficult to determine the exact type of precipitation.

In this highly unlikely and extreme scenario, the METAR report could be more accurate. However, it's worth noting that even in this scenario, the report is still pushing the limits of what's physically possible in terms of weather phenomena.

So, while it's possible to imagine a scenario where the METAR report is more accurate, it's still a highly unlikely and extreme situation that's not representative of typical weather conditions.

172.68.26.24 01:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

A 24h-clock is a am-by-default clock. If there is a number of 1-11 it's AM by default. 12-23 tell you it's not am but pm. --172.69.109.92 14:55, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

Somebody wanna call maintenance for that station in Central Park? :) Doctorhook (talk) 00:10, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Not being familiar with the technical details of how METAR works, I'm wondering: is their any humorous significance the the combination of the +BLUP and AO2 strings? According to the current given explanation, +BLUP means the the precipitation is unknown, and AO2 means the station has the capacity to identify if the precipitation is liquid or frozen. To me that reads like the report is saying, "We should be able to tell you what kind of precipitation this is, but for some reason we can't identify it", implying some mysterious new type of precipitation that is neither liquid nor frozen.162.158.167.88 23:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

New interpretation of NOSIG: this user does not use 4 tildes (~~~~) to sign their comments in Talk Pages. 42.book.addict^{Talk to me!} 22:09, 20 December 2024 (UTC)