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The comic features a conversation between [[Cueball]] and [[Megan]], discussing the dynamics of family gatherings during {{w|Thanksgiving (United States)|Thanksgiving}}, specifically about the topics of political arguments and how to navigate them. This was a topical comic, as Thanksgiving in the United States in 2023 was on November 23, the day after the posting of this comic.
 
The comic features a conversation between [[Cueball]] and [[Megan]], discussing the dynamics of family gatherings during {{w|Thanksgiving (United States)|Thanksgiving}}, specifically about the topics of political arguments and how to navigate them. This was a topical comic, as Thanksgiving in the United States in 2023 was on November 23, the day after the posting of this comic.
  
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In the first panel, Cueball is depicted sitting at a computer, presumably writing an article or blog post titled "How to Win Political Arguments with Your Awful Relatives at Thanksgiving Dinner" - a common topic for 'filler' articles at this time of year. This sets up the premise of the comic, implying that there is a common expectation that political discussions during family gatherings can be contentious and that there is a desire to "win" these discussions, treating them as debates or conflicts rather than dialogues. In addition, the relatives concerned (who are perhaps usually avoidable, except during seasonally expected gatherings) are considered "awful" – a personal opinion that is possibly reciprocated, although it would be worse if it is not.
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In the first panel, Cueball is depicted sitting at a computer, presumably writing an article or blog post titled "How to Win Political Arguments with Your Awful Relatives at Thanksgiving Dinner" - a common topic for 'filler' articles at this time of year. Such articles are based on the perception that political arguments are common at holiday dinners. This is likely based on the idea that people will tend to avoid relatives with "awful" political views, but holiday dinners carry the expectation that the whole family will be together, making such arguments difficult to avoid.  
  
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The second panel shifts to Megan, who challenges the assumption that political arguments are common at Thanksgiving by referencing surveys that indicate most families don't engage in political arguments during the holiday, with [[Randall]] citing [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/poll-nobody-fights-thanksgiving_n_5deece02e4b07f6835b7eab6 an article in ''Huffington Post''] in support of her statement. This panel introduces a counterpoint to Cueball's assumption, suggesting that the narrative of inevitable political conflict might be exaggerated or not universally applicable. In the third panel, Megan opines that Cueball's relatives have "fine" political opinions. She proposes that Cueball could instead write a post about the topics his relatives argue about.
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Megan challenges this perception, citing a citing [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/poll-nobody-fights-thanksgiving_n_5deece02e4b07f6835b7eab6 an article in ''Huffington Post''] with a poll that suggests that most families do not, in fact, engage in political arguments at Thanksgiving, and points out that Cueball's family has political views that are "mostly fine". This is probably not especially uncommon, as families tend to share similar experiences and backgrounds, which inform their political opinions. Where disagreements do occur, it's common for those to be minor, and not the subject of particularly emotional arguments.  
  
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The fourth panel concludes with Cueball writing about a recurring argument that takes place at his family's Thanksgiving dinner. That argument is not about politics but rather ''{{w|Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker}},'' which was poorly received for a Star Wars film, but may nonetheless have some fans with less trenchantly negative opinions. It is left ambiguous exactly what fervent opinions are raised among Cueball's relatives, but they do seem to cause some tension. Thus Cueball's family apparently does have a 'tradition' of recurring ideological arguments, for at least the last four they are centred around a topic that most would consider less serious and more in the realm of pop culture. The punch centred on the juxtaposition of the expectation of serious political debates with the reality of a trivial argument that has become a peculiar (and necessarily quite recently inaugurated) tradition, highlighting the idiosyncrasies of family gatherings.
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The misperception at the root of this may be a case of selection bias. Some percentage of families in which members hold opposing political views with such emotional fervor that gatherings typically devolve into arguments. Since those arguments can be so intense and emotional (and often personally hurtful), the people involved are far more likely to relate their experiences to others, both in person and in media (such as in articles, columns, and portrayal in fiction). By contrast, people who have quiet, undramatic family dinners are less likely to get attention. This can give rise to the perception that heated political arguments are the norm for such gatherings.  
  
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The comic humorously encapsulates the heightened expectation of political debates at family gatherings, a cultural narrative especially prominent during Thanksgiving. However, the actual experience often deviates from this expectation, with families either avoiding such topics or in entirely different kinds of disputes. The comic satirically suggests that these arguments might be over trivial matters, such as pop culture references, rather than the anticipated political disagreements. This portrayal subtly critiques the societal assumption about family conflicts during holidays and implies that the reality is much more nuanced and varied, with each family having its unique quirks and traditions that may or may not align with common stereotypes.
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The comic concludes by revealing that Cueball's family, rather than arguing about politics, tends to argue about ''{{w|The Rise of Skywalker}}'', a controversial recent entry in the {{w|Star Wars}} franchise, with Megan agreeing that his aunt "brings that up a lot". The joke is that Cueball's family, like him, tend to have nerdy, pop-culture-based passions, and those are areas that are far more likely to result in family debates. The title text extends this theme by referencing the mother's devotion to the 2003 movie ''{{w|The Core}}'' (widely considered a contender for "{{w|The Core#Reception|all-time-worst 'science in a movie' winner}}") and her insistence on watching it annually during Thanksgiving is mentioned as a bone of contention within the family. This underscores the idea that perceptions of a "normal" family gathering (ie, arguing about politics) aren't necessarily applicable to most families. The individual character and eccentricities of each family are far more likely to define what their holidays are like.  
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The title text extends this theme by introducing another layer of familial tradition that could be a source of tension, albeit mild. In this case, the mother's devotion to the 2003 movie ''{{w|The Core}}'' (widely considered a contender for "{{w|The Core#Reception|all-time-worst 'science in a movie' winner}}") and her insistence on watching it annually during Thanksgiving becomes a humorous bone of contention within the family. The varying levels of enthusiasm for this tradition among family members illustrate the comic's broader commentary on family dynamics: that tensions during gatherings often arise from personal idiosyncrasies and peculiar family rituals, rather than from the expected ideological clashes. It underscores the idea that while families may not always share the same passions, these unique and sometimes eccentric traditions define the character and the memories of family gatherings.
 
  
 
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Revision as of 14:56, 2 January 2024

Thanksgiving Arguments
An occasional source of mild Thanksgiving tension in my family is that my mother is a die-hard fan of The Core (2003), and various family members sometimes have differing levels of enthusiasm for her annual tradition of watching it.
Title text: An occasional source of mild Thanksgiving tension in my family is that my mother is a die-hard fan of The Core (2003), and various family members sometimes have differing levels of enthusiasm for her annual tradition of watching it.

Explanation

The comic features a conversation between Cueball and Megan, discussing the dynamics of family gatherings during Thanksgiving, specifically about the topics of political arguments and how to navigate them. This was a topical comic, as Thanksgiving in the United States in 2023 was on November 23, the day after the posting of this comic.

In the first panel, Cueball is depicted sitting at a computer, presumably writing an article or blog post titled "How to Win Political Arguments with Your Awful Relatives at Thanksgiving Dinner" - a common topic for 'filler' articles at this time of year. Such articles are based on the perception that political arguments are common at holiday dinners. This is likely based on the idea that people will tend to avoid relatives with "awful" political views, but holiday dinners carry the expectation that the whole family will be together, making such arguments difficult to avoid.

Megan challenges this perception, citing a citing an article in Huffington Post with a poll that suggests that most families do not, in fact, engage in political arguments at Thanksgiving, and points out that Cueball's family has political views that are "mostly fine". This is probably not especially uncommon, as families tend to share similar experiences and backgrounds, which inform their political opinions. Where disagreements do occur, it's common for those to be minor, and not the subject of particularly emotional arguments.

The misperception at the root of this may be a case of selection bias. Some percentage of families in which members hold opposing political views with such emotional fervor that gatherings typically devolve into arguments. Since those arguments can be so intense and emotional (and often personally hurtful), the people involved are far more likely to relate their experiences to others, both in person and in media (such as in articles, columns, and portrayal in fiction). By contrast, people who have quiet, undramatic family dinners are less likely to get attention. This can give rise to the perception that heated political arguments are the norm for such gatherings.

The comic concludes by revealing that Cueball's family, rather than arguing about politics, tends to argue about The Rise of Skywalker, a controversial recent entry in the Star Wars franchise, with Megan agreeing that his aunt "brings that up a lot". The joke is that Cueball's family, like him, tend to have nerdy, pop-culture-based passions, and those are areas that are far more likely to result in family debates. The title text extends this theme by referencing the mother's devotion to the 2003 movie The Core (widely considered a contender for "all-time-worst 'science in a movie' winner") and her insistence on watching it annually during Thanksgiving is mentioned as a bone of contention within the family. This underscores the idea that perceptions of a "normal" family gathering (ie, arguing about politics) aren't necessarily applicable to most families. The individual character and eccentricities of each family are far more likely to define what their holidays are like.

Transcript

[Cueball is sitting on an office chair at his desk typing on his stationary computer as Megan walks up behind him. The text he writes is shown above the screen with a zigzag line going from a starburst on the screen.]
Text: How to win political arguments with your awful relatives at Thanksgiving dinner
[Closeup of Megan in a frame-less panel. Below Megan there is a footnote relating to the asterisk at the end of her sentence.]
Megan: You know, despite all the posts about it, surveys show most families don't actually argue about politics at Thanksgiving.*
Footnote: *https://www.huffpost.com/entry/poll-nobody-fights-thanksgiving_n_5deece02e4b07f6835b7eab6
[Zoom back on to Cueball and Megan. Cueball has turned around in his chair, hands on his lap, looking up at Megan.]
Megan: Take your relatives. Their political opinions are basically fine.
Megan: Maybe you should write about what they argue about?
[Closeup of Cueball typing on his computer. The text he writes is again shown above the screen with a zigzag line going from a starburst on the screen. Megan speaks to him from off-panel, her speech line coming from a starburst at the right edge of the panel.]
Text: How to win arguments about The Rise of Skywalker at your Thanksgiving dinner
Megan (off-panel): Aunt Katie does bring that up a lot, doesn't she.
Cueball: This'll be year four.


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Discussion

I know it isn't important but im dying to know whether the titletext is from Cueball's or Randall's perspective - Vaedez (talk) 22:11, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Right, was Randall's mom mad at him for making fun of The Core in 673: The Sun? Orion205 (talk) 22:22, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I think title text is often considered to be Randall's own viewpoint, unless it's an obvious continuation of the comic. And since Cueball has already indicated that Rise of Skywalker is his family's point of contention, I think this is Randall's mother. Barmar (talk) 22:34, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
We should just make a category for The Core (2003) at this point?--172.69.79.182 07:59, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
This being at least the 5th comic with a reference to The Core (2003), it indeed looks like someone in Randall's life keeps bringing that movie up. We have: 673: The Sun, 2011: Newton's Trajectories, 2074: Airplanes and Spaceships, and earlier this year, 2765: Escape Speed where you can find "a DVD of The Core (2003)". 172.70.174.136 23:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I have my doubts about the referenced Huffington Post article- in my experience it is readers of the Huffington Post who are both most likely to bring up politics at family get togethers AND most likely to deny it, thus leading to skewed statistics.Seebert (talk) 00:06, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I would not be surprised if that is part of the joke. ;) also merry turkey day. SDT172.70.114.95 02:48, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
ermmm acktuuallyyy it's "happy thanksgiving" 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 someone, i guess(talk i guess|le edit list) 03:47, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
ermmmm akshually, according to my calculashuns, its “have a jolly avian 24 hours”!!! 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 42.book.addict (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

The best way to win an argument about The Rise of Skywalker is to fervently insist the Star Wars franchise ceased operations after 2013 and reject any evidence to the contrary. 162.158.62.237 09:51, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, as there was nothing after the 1980 sequel, I don't know why you say the above... 172.71.242.213 11:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
Touché, good sir. 162.158.62.237 04:29, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
Or just point out that the whole thing was little more than a series of B-movies, and therefore not worth debating.172.70.90.231 09:19, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Allow me a moment to retrieve the visual aids for my TED talk about the value of "low art" genres as a means of artistic expression and subversive commentary. Scorpion451 (talk) 18:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
That approach seemed to work for The Matrix. Too bad they never made any sequels. Orion205 (talk) 01:50, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
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